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This movie has been described as very violent. So, if we are not to participate in any movie that is violent in any way, then we shouldn't be going to this one.

I think the reason it doesn't refer to the US ratings system for movies in the pamphlet is that the pamplet is designed for all the youth of the Church, not just the US.

I discussed this with my friends from South Africa. They saw the Matrix because in SA it was not rated and did so without doing anything they had been counseled not to do. Yet, now that they are in the US and know of the counsel that has been given regarding R rated movies, they wouldn't go to it now knowing it is rated R.

Offtopic but, Yes, when two orders are conflicting, you follow the last one given. I don't think this is the case here though.

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Hey guys, with all respect, I had see some of you all ('you all' means everybody in the forum!) posting about movies before or talking about them and they are rated R hmmm so what's going on there?.

Particularly as any other issue in my life, I see this subject as a personal decision. Our leaders counsel us to do something and is up to us to decide what we want to do. It is an individual choice.

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In my opinion, the violence in this movie is depicted as described in the scriptures. It is not "glamorizing vicious behavior" but rather portraying a significant, real-life event in human history and specifically in regard to our Savior. The hours before his death, and his method of death were nothing but violent.

I feel like we are quibbling over the color of socks. I'm not sure I understand the agony of making this decision.

Most modern R-rated movies are just a bunch of fluff and nonsense, or graphic immoral behavior -- no big deal if you don't "get" to see one, and probably we are better off if we don't.

This particular movie was produced and directed by a man whose life was changed by the Savior's atonement, and who has apparently tried to portray these events in a very "true to life" realistic manner. If you've ever had trouble trying to imagine the Savior's final hours and what he went through, this might be the way to bring it to life, so to speak.

It's opening in a theater here today and I may be able to see it this weekend. I agree it is a personal decision about R ratings in general, but I think this particular subject could be an exception.

In my opinion, of course.

Roz

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Not quite sure about this. He is Catholic. Catholics don't really know about the atonement as much as the dieing on the cross. This was something else I discussed with my friends in deciding to see this film or not. Probably the emphasis is on the suffering of the crucificion as well as the flogging, etc., but I doubt there is a lot of emphasis on the actual atonement itself.

One of the reasons christians from other churches wear crosses is that they believe that the greatest thing the Savior did for them was to die on the cross. We know this isn't exactly true. The greatest thing he did for us was atone for our sins. This happened in the garden before his arrest not on the cross or at any other point after his arrest. Although he suffered greatly after he was arrested - beaten and crucified, his greatest amount of suffering came in the Garden of Gethsemene wear he bled from every pore while suffering in atonement for our sins.

If you go to this movie, I would definately be interested in your thoughts since I haven't made up my mind yet.

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Sorry to disagree with that statement. Regardless of the religion of anybody, the atonement of Christ is of a personal matter, it doesn't matter what religion you're from or what are the beliefs of that particular group. Many LDS members may have the knowledge and not a testimony about the atonement and a catholic or any other person may have a deep personal testimony about it that they got through personal revelation and prayer.

You haven't made your mind about going to see the movie or about your thoughts about it?

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What I meant by my statement is that I don't think he knows about the atonement. The Catholic Church teaches that his sweat was like blood from him pores, not that he actually bled from him pores. This is somethinI believe that the focus is on the crucifixion, not the actual atonement because I believe that would be what Mel Gibson's focus and belief as a Catholic is. Also, I said I wasn't sure about it, not that it was absolutely the case.

I have not made up my mind about whether or not I will see it initially because of the R rating. Now, as it has been released to the public much more detail is coming out about just how graphic and violent it is and so now, I may not go just because it might be more violent than I want to see.

For me personally, I don't feel I need to see it in order to appreciate what a sacrifice the Savior made. That is just me. I believe it is for everyone to decide on their own as with all movies. I just have drawn my own line in the sand regarding R rated movies. However, that line can change when I feel it is appropriate. This is why I would be interested in what others who are members of the Church feel after seeing the movie. Where was the focus? What did you gain from it spiritually? That sort of thing.

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I know what you meant, I just think is unrealistic to say whether he knows about the atonement or not, since its obvious we don't know because we don't know him or ever talked to him and we will not know based on a movie portrait.

I feel the exactly same way you do, I would like to see it just because I like to see movies about Christ, not to mention that I love acting and I'm very interested in seeing how the actor who plays Jesus's role handled it,

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I understand what you are saying, but we just don't agree on this one. I watched an interview where he indicated that he was doing this movie based upon his religious beliefs and the gospels. His religious beliefs were central to his making this film. So, to me, the portrayal of what happened to the Savior in his last 12 hours on earth would be based upon what he (Mel Gibson) believes. So, I think if he knows about the physical occurance of the atonement it will be in the movie. I am referring just to the suffering that occured in the garden and the bleeding from every pore. I am not speaking of any spiritual awareness that Mel may or may not have. I agree, that is a personal thing which I won't be able to derive from the movie.

The entire point to my statement at all is simply that I am not sure the depiction of the Savior's last 12 hours on earth will be accurate from an LDS point of view ,and, therefore, I question the validity of seeing it for spiritual edification. I am not questioning other people's reasons to see this movie. I mean from my point of view, will I gain from it spiritually. If yes, then I want to see it. If no, then I don't because of the R rating.

I believe Mel Gibson had nothing but good intentions with this movie. I think what he has done and the way he has stood up for it and for what he believes even in the face of so much opposition is admirable. This is true whether I choose to see the movie or not.