My above theory stated, "There is a theory of that, that Adam and Eve on Certian worlds never gave in to satans temptation. For those worlds, God takes them away and starts anew with that world."
I also believe that this earth is not the Most wicked amoung God's creation and I don't believe that the scripture Moses7:36 is saying that. You need to remember that God was talking to Enoch, at the time the earth was covered in a gross wickedness even so gross that Enoch's grandson Noah is needed to save the human race from the up coming flood.
I believe that their are worlds yet more wicked then our own. That would not of allowed the savior to be born, or any prophets be allowed to live.
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Our world has the most wicked Gods children, wicked enough to crucify the Savior. To counter-balance that, it must also have the most righteous of God's children. |
For me, the Adam and Eve theory just does not make sense. I'm not sure if things always play out the same on God's other creations, but I can't imagine a world He created failing to unfold as He has planned. For God to create a world and set His children on it and then have to start all over because they didn't follow the plan is illogical, because God knows all things.
Moses 7:36 tells us that God stated there had not been so great wickedness among all the workmanship of mine hands... This would indicate to me that He means all that He created, or all the worlds He has created. Also, here is a quote by Bruce R. McConkie, pg. 212 which helps clarify it, in my opinion.
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Out particular earth, the one to which Christ was sent to work out the infinite and eternal atonement, has seen greater wickedness amoung her inhabitants than has been the case on any earth. |
I'm sorry I came to this discussion late.
There have been many interesting and enlightening comments so far. I'd like to add my thoughts and impressions as well.
I have heard early Church leaders say that the most wicked people (or more wicked people) have lived on this earth than any other, and that is why the Savior was sent here, because we are the only world that would have crucified Him. I don't know if this is true, but I do know the Lord has had to destroy many, many cities and countries, and even all but 8 people on this earth once, because of wickedness. I am certain it can't be much more wicked on other earths or the Lord would have to destroy them as well.
Christ certainly can appear to His bothers and sisters on other worlds, just as He has here. Most of all the prophets who have seen Him on this world did not see Him during His mortal ministry. I do not think it is impossible that He showed Himself to His Father's children no matter where they are in space. Space and time are very closely related, and neither of which limit the Father or the Son.
I like the phrase "one eternal round." I think it has more meaning and relation to "time or times" than we often think. Christ's Atonement certainly was eternal, at least as far as this "eternal round" is concerned. It is effective for every world He created, and every inhabitant on those countless (to us) worlds. But, we know the Son did not create, nor Atone for, the earth the Father lived on. Each generation is an "eternal round" and must be linked to the one before and the one after in some way, as shown to us by the spirit of Elijah on earth.
Eternal Round... interesting, huh?
I'll stop before I ramble and change topics.
Thank you for the interesting discussion.
Edited: Justice on 12th Sep, 2006 - 3:40pm
I think there is no clear answer to this question. Former Prophets and Apostles have stated views that contradict each other. For example, Brigham Young taught that each world has its Redeemer and each world has its temptor. That is contrary to some other quotes in this thread.
I think it would not make sence for the Lord to be the creator of many worlds, but not the Savior of those worlds. So I think the most logical asumption is Jesus atoned for those worlds in which he had a responsibility, or calling to take part in their creation.
That would be a tiny microscopic percent of all the worlds in the Universe if you take in to account that worlds have always been coming into and going out of existence. There must be an infinite number of Saviors before our Savior and an infinite number yet to come.
I believe that there are many worlds created by our Heavenly Father that are populated with His children just as this one is. However, I do not think that there would ever be any contact between us. On the side note, I do think that man has landed on the moon.
My understanding is that Jesus Christ is the Saviour to all those who live on other worlds, but this is the planet on which he was commissioned to perform his salvic sacrifice. Perhaps because of its leadership in wickedness.
Ancient Israelites looked on their God, YHVH, as a local numen who was solely concerned with them. The writingsa of Isaiah and the Book of Jonah express a broadening of that narrow parochial view to explain that God is a universal (in the broadest sense of the word) God, who cannot be confined to any one location as His legitimate area of interest. It seems that we ought also not to be parochial in keeping God and Jesus to ourselves on planet earth, because when God says, "Worlds without number have I created," we can be sure he wasn't just playing in the sandbox.
He that receiveth my father, says the Savior, receiveth my Father's kingdom, wherefore all that my father hath shall be given to him. It is a kind of joint stock inheritance, we are to become joint heirs with Jesus Christ to all the inheritances and to all the worlds that are made. We shall have the power of locomotion; and like Jesus, after his resurrection, we shall be able to mount up and pass from one world to another. We shall not be confined to our native earth. There are many worlds inhabited by people who are glorified, for heaven is not one place, but many, heaven is not one world but many. "In my Father's house are many mansions." In other words-In my Father's house there are many worlds, which in their turn will be made glorified heavens, the inheritance of the redeemed from all the worlds, who, having been prepared through similar experience to our own, will inhabit them; and each one in its turn will be exalted through the revelations and laws of the Most High God, and they will continue to multiply their offspring through all eternity, and new worlds will be made for their progeny. Amen. [B. H. Roberts, The Mormon Doctrine of Deity, p.284]
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Joseph Smith's teaching of a plurality of Gods is paralleled by the revelation that there is a corresponding plurality of inhabited earths as well. Moses "beheld many lands [worlds]; and each land was called earth, and there were inhabitants on the face thereof" (Moses 1:29). He also learned that these "worlds without number" were created for a divine purpose by the Son, the Only Begotten (Moses 1:33). However, Moses' knowledge of God's creative enterprises was limited to our own planet: "But only an account of this earth,and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you" (Moses 1:35). [Edrs. H. Donl Peterson and Charles D. Tate, Jr., The Pearl of Great Price: Revelations From God, p.103] The Almighty gave Moses "only an account of this earth,and the inhabitants thereof" (Moses 1:35). As there is but one specific God for us, so is there but one specific Savior for us-Jesus of Nazareth. How many other worlds are encompassed by his infinite sacrifice is yet to be revealed. [Op. Cit. p.106] |
I believe that Jesus Christ Atoned for the sins of all the creations he had part in creating. I do not have a reference off-the-bat, but plain common sense sense is enough for me. What authority does a person from IBM have over Coca Cola?
I also believe that we are doing a large disfavour to our Heavenly Father for only giving Him stewardship over our galaxy. I believe that "worlds without number" still applies to us, and that we have but the slightest comprehention of our own universe to even try to fathom rounds of creation under the direction of other Celestialized Beings that have been ordained to Godhood.
It seems that people were only able to be resurrected after Christ was. Does that mean that THIS would be the first earth with Jesus as the Christ? Or did other earths have to wait for their resurrection, or are they progressing concurantly?