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[quote]It the person is a predator then it can be announced to protect the 'innocent'. We have done it before. [/quote]

What about if the guy is not a predator? he committed adultery or fornication. Can they announce it on a public meeting? isn't that kind of stuff confidential? and if it's confidential...how come everybody always know those things :

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What about if the guy is not a predator? he committed adultery or fornication. Can they announce it on a public meeting? isn't that kind of stuff confidential? and if it's confidential...how come everybody always know those things :[/quote]

Like I said, it depends on if the person is a predator, or in other words does it over and over again. Members may fall into thinking that the person is a member, thus a general announcement is made, but this is usually donr in Priesthood and Relief Society. Generally, fornication and adultery is not announced, the reason for the action taken aginst the person is not announced unless again it is predatory and may affect others. For instance - a behavior of child abuse or kiddnapping where it will be necessary for everyone to watch for the children. If the person is in high office then it will be necessary to make a general announcement such as the case when Elder Dunn (General Authority) was disfellowshipped.

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I the thread about the Journal of Discourses a topic came about how the Church handles Apostasy cases or what they think is apostasy. Some people think that a member can be excommunicated if they think or give an opinion that is different to Church Doctrine. Others think that the person have to 'teach it' in order to be at risk of excommunication.
What are your thoughts about it?. Personally I know many many members who voice out a lot of things that are not in agreement with Church Doctrine and they don't only suffer any persecution but they still members *shrugs* but by the other hand I heard stories of people writing books with their opinions and they were call to 'repent' or they would suffer excommunication.

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[quote] Some people think that a member can be excommunicated if they think or give an opinion that is different to Church Doctrine.[/quote]

I found an article from the Daily Herald on a website.

[quote]*Shane LeGrande Whelan, author of "More Than One: Plural Marriage, A Sacred Heritage, A Promise For Tomorrow," excommunicated Aug. 11 for refusing to stop marketing his self-published book. His wife, Rhonda, who researched the book, was disfellowshipped two weeks later. She has since divorced him.
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At first, Shane Whelan was quiet about his excommunication.

He and his wife were active in the church, serving as stake missionaries. They believed what they wrote was a respectful history of the doctrine and practice of polygamy as a fundamental tenet of the church, Whelan said.

"I had no idea we were running a risk because we weren't promoting (polygamy)," Shane Whelan said. "I'm a mainstream Mormon -- or was."[/quote]

NightHawk

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I want to go back to the original question for a minute regarding if or why a member who was erroneously ex-communicated would need to be baptised again.

I think they would need to because excommunication formally removes your names from the rolls of the Church.  While one could argue that this is just administrative and we could just put the name back on the rolls, I think there is a scripture that explains it best for me.

[quote]And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Matthew 16:19[/quote]

So, I think that since the baptism was unbound on earth it is unbound in heaven, even if unjustly, and needs to be rebound on earth to be rebound in heaven.  Baptism is an earthly ordinance, after all.

This doesn't seem fair, but the scriptures seem to indicate it is true.  I personally believe that if an unjustly excommunicated member was never rebaptised through no fault of their own, somehow justice would prevail for them.  However, this begs the question, if you are truly unfairly excommunicated, why wouldn't you be able to do whatever was necessary to one day be readmitted to the roles of the Church either by proving the excommunication was unjust or by conforming to the requirements of your priesthood leaders in order for them to grant readmittance?  If one should die before having the opportunity for readmittance, this work could be done in the Temple, couldn't it?  

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[quote] However, this begs the question, if you are truly unfairly excommunicated, why wouldn't you be able to do whatever was necessary to one day be readmitted to the roles of the Church either by proving the excommunication was unjust or by conforming to the requirements of your priesthood leaders in order for them to grant readmittance?  If one should die before having the opportunity for readmittance, this work could be done in the Temple, couldn't it[/quote]
Thanks for bringing it back

Good questions. Here is my experience...

a. If a member becomes so disenchanted by being 'turned' away for something is not their fault then it may be very easy to fall away. Didn't the Lord talk about this often.. those who offend God' little ones? This may be something constant, it may be where you have done something wrong in the past, but no one wants to forgive you or make you feel welcomed... why then would you go to a place that makes you feel awful?

b. Excommunicated members can have their blessings restored. This has been done before in Church history.

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[quote]Shane LeGrande Whelan, author of "More Than One: Plural Marriage, A Sacred Heritage, A Promise For Tomorrow," excommunicated Aug. 11 for refusing to stop marketing his self-published book. His wife, Rhonda, who researched the book, was disfellowshipped two weeks later. She has since divorced him.  [/quote]

I didn't know he was excommunicated! are we talking about Aug.11th 2003???.  Most of the reviews I read about the book were great they even mention the language he used was very mild some of those reviews were from LDS sources who are normally harsh to those books who they label as 'anti-mormon' so I'm very surprised about it. I went to deseretbook.com and they still selling the book there and some time ago they were still selling it on BYU, I don't know now. In the deseret book web site the review of the book from the company (Deseret) it says "Whelan's thorough research has resulted in a unique compilation of stories, doctrine and opinion regarding plural marriage in the Mormon Church. More Than One offers a compelling story about Mormon pioneers as they were commanded to marry more than one wife and includes a thought provoking scenario of plural marriage in a modern-day setting. This book is a must buy for those who have questions about their Mormon heritage and the practice of plural marriage"

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[quote] are we talking about Aug.11th 2003[/quote]

I think it was Aug 2002, as the article appeared to be from Dec 2002.

Earlier, in one of these threads, I posted a portion of what he had reported.  He said that he and his wife were called into the Stake President's office.  After talking with the SP, he was excused for a few minutes, while the SP talked to his wife.  His wife came out, and told him that she couldn't put up with it.  Later, she told him that she was told to either disassociate herself from him and his book, or she would be excommunicated.

He said that then the SP told him to either stop the publication and distribution of the book, or he would face a church court.

Since the book is still available, and he has been excommunicated, I guess I can tell what his decision was.

NightHawk