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Good question!

AG is a prominent author.  The story of his excommunication is somewhat public as it is frequently discussed on publicly archived email lists.

[offtopic]Feel free to delete the message if you feel it is inappropriate.  I hadn't thought about the fact that it may not be public knowledge.[/offtopic]

[edit]ADMIN: just removing the name [/edit]

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I thought it would be a waste to delete the post so I just used letters instead of names so that your thoughts could remain

Okay, let us shift to another topic. Should excommunicated members be allowed to participate in classes? The CHurch Handbook of Instructions tlak about no prayers, callings, or talks, but what about in a class... can they ask questions and comment?

Some have said, 'Yes they can' because a non-member can participate. Others say it would defeat the purpose of disciplinary action if they do a lot of talking in class. What is your view?

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My personal case -

I was allowed and encouraged to participate in class.  I was not allowed to give public prayers, partake of the sacrament, or participate in any other ordinances.

I think that class participation depends on the circumstances, the person involved, and the disciplinary council involved.  I am fairly sure that a person who is excommunicated for apostacy would be asked to not participate in class.  But then, the couple of people I have known who were in this situation just stayed away from church until they were ready to repent.

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[quote] I was allowed and encouraged to participate in class.  I was not allowed to give public prayers, partake of the sacrament, or participate in any other ordinances. [/quote]
My concern in bringing up the question is that many who are under these restrictions feel embarrassed to stay quiet so they try to talk and tell others how to live the gospel to make it look as though they are in full fellowship. It is not because the person actually has a question. However, like you said, it really depends on the additional restrictions imposed during the Council.

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My concern in bringing up the question is that many who are under these restrictions feel embarrassed to stay quiet so they try to talk and tell others how to live the gospel to make it look as though they are in full fellowship.[/quote]

This hasn't been my experience at all.  The people I have known who were excommunicant, were very quiet.  I had a very hard time participating at all, so I didn't even attend church much at all for over two years.  After I started dating my wife, I attended more, but the leaders of our branch in England knew about my situation and were very helpful.

NightHawk

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[quote]The people I have known who were excommunicant, were very quiet[/quote]

Well, it doesn't happen this in this little corner of the world. I have met several members who were excommunicated and they talk in classes by preaching others what to do, etc. I'm not trying to be judgmental, but I don't think they should tell others what to do.

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Well, it doesn't happen this in this little corner of the world. I have met several members who were excommunicated and they talk in classes by preaching others what to do, etc. I'm not trying to be judgmental, but I don't think they should tell others what to do. [/quote]

We have a young man in our ward right now who left for his mission, was gone for a couple of weeks, then came back and it was announced that he was excommunicated.  No other details were given, of course, however this young man has not been back to the ward since his excommunication.  Even his father was hesitant to come to church because he was embarrassed for his son.  He did attend about 2 weeks ago, but wasn't there last week.

Another case... a lady in another ward I was in was excommunicated after having a baby out of wedlock.  She didn't speak up in church classes, but she never hesitated to tell people that she thought the church was wrong for excommunicating her.  Her reasoning was that we were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth and that's all she was doing.  She was usually pretty vocal about this, but never in a church setting.

One last comment.... due to certain reasons my 17 year old son is currently being refused the privelege of blessing the sacrament or taking the sacrament.  This has already gone on for over a month and I don't know how much longer the bishop has in mind for this... he doesn't communicate with us, only with my son.  However, my son is scheduled to teach the lesson in his Priest's quorum next week.  Apparently the bishop is aware of this since he mentioned it to my husband, yet he isn't stopping it.  No official church discipline has been taken against my son, so maybe this is why he's allowed to teach, but I do find it interesting that he is under some "discipline" yet is being allowed to teach.

Anyway, because of all this I would think that there isn't any restrictions on a person who is excommunicated participating in class discussions.  The teacher may need to control the discussion, but then that's always the teacher's role.

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[quote]due to certain reasons my 17 year old son is currently being refused the privelege of blessing the sacrament or taking the sacrament.[/quote]
This is something that you need to discuss with the Bishop, the reasons maybe numerous and far reaching as well as simple, you will not find an answer to this here.

[quote]Her reasoning was that we were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth[/quote]
Now that is humorous, (although sad) I have never heard that as an excuse for that kind of transgression. I wonder, when she voiced her opinion so openly did anyone try to correct her openly? If not, did anyone at least talk to her one on one, or notify the Bishop about how she felt?