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Ah, Bruce R. Mc Conkie and his famous (infamous?)"Mormon Doctrine". I think he said way too many things in the past that he needed to keep to himself but he didn't. Anyhow, how can he possible know whether the early Prophets did not understand much about the Godhead?

Rather off topic, but... Nephilim, there is a thread called "The Prophet said so, is that enough?" within the LDS Mature board that I am sure you will enjoy participating. But please make sure to read ALL the pages within the thread so you will know what we have been discussing. https://www.bordeglobal.com/foruminv/index.php?showtopic=6565

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I don't think anyone disputes that the Adam-God theory was taught by various people in the past. The question should be, is it true or not? If it is not true then whether or not Brigham Young or anyone else believed it or taught it is irrelevant. Just because someone pondered or expressed an opinion, or wrote a poem does not make it doctrinal. After all, it is still just a theory and not Church doctrine. If it were we would find it in in canonized scripture. The word of God is not hidden away in some obscure journals and writings. It is in the Bible and the Book of Mormon for all the world to have access to. If we want to find proof of the truthfulness or falseness of the Adam-God theory we should be looking to the scriptures to find it.

Edited: alskann on 27th Jun, 2008 - 9:48am

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Alskan:

Interesting. First of all, these two statements kind of contradict each other. First you acknowledge it was taught but then you suggest Young and others expressed an "opinion" on the matter? We are speaking about a Prophet who publicly taught this at Church meetings for the whole congregation, it seems to me that was not just merely his opinion. From his own mouth:

I think it is clear as water that Young taught it as doctrine and not as his opinion only. If you believe with the concept of "The Prophet said so is that enough?" (which it seems to me based on your posts in that thread) how come you are wondering if those words are true or not coming out from the mouth of a Prophet of God?

On top of that Kimball denounces the theory as "false doctrine" which clearly and indirectly acknowledges it was taught as such but puts a big amount of pressure on Kimball and the whole idea of "The Prophet cannot lead you astray". One of the many instances of a modern Prophet contradicting/correcting a past one.

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Alaskann,

I wholeheartedly agree with you! In my opinion, I have yet to find a scripture that refutes the possibility that Adam is our Heavenly Father as well as our Mortal Father. From my understanding, should I live to fulfill all the commandments and receive my exaltation, then Adam would forever be my Heavenly Father (Elohim) and would help me to create a world in which my spirit children could receive their bodies and I would be the one to Father that world in the flesh. Thus, being the Adam to my children for their carnal understanding. Always my opinion of course...

Rather off topic, but... I once heard that Jesus Christ's sacrifice was a "Universal" sacrifice applying to other worlds as well. I'm too lazy to look for a reference right now but wondering if anyone has heard the same. If our Heavenly Father has children on other worlds, could it make sense that they were from a different heavenly mother? This is probably better for the Celestial marriage thread, but as it relates to Adam and Jehovah, does Christ's sacrifice cover our posterity as well? Or will my spiritual firstborn be required to perform the same sacrifice?

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Comments: This needs to be taken for just what it was like the title of this topic says "theory". I think the leaders back then just spoke too much and they forgot sometimes that people listened too intently. I don't think this was meant to be taken as actual doctrine.

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President Young never said his teachings about Adam were a theory. Others, who were never ordained to be the revelator for the church, are the ones who call it a theory. President Young, who was ordained as the revelator for the church, taught that it was revealed to him, and that Joseph Smith taught it to him. But I agree that the church should leave it alone until they receive further revelation. If one believes that President Young could be wrong about his Adam-God teachings he made in General Conference, then that one must also believe that all the other church Presidents can be wrong in things they teach in GC. Right?

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I don't know how old this legend is, but needless to say, Brigham Young wasn't alone in this theory. Anciently, names was important, you can bless, and curse, someone, or something, if you knew their name, this is why there was so much effort in trying to find out Gods name, so people could control Him. I can see why people would think Adam was God, since he was the first human on the planet, and named all the creatures on earth, this would be a very god-like thing to do.

Edited: haleray on 6th Sep, 2013 - 11:40am

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Adam-God doctrine makes no sense to a believer in the creedal understanding of God: an immaterial, uncreated, infinite, incomprehensible, three-person "Being" outside of time and space that creates the universe with blank-check powers out of absolutely nothing.

To a Mormon, the creedal understanding of God is nonsense, and non-Biblical. It is Greek philosophy used by the Roman empire to hijack and monopolize Christianity.

Mormonism is based on more of what the Bible is: the "Word of the Lord" To the Prophets of Israel, and other writings by these Prophets.

The elements are eternal, including the life-intelligence in living beings such as ourselves that gives self-consciousness, self-will and unique personality. God does NOT create us, or anything, out of nothing-- so God is not responsible for evil in the least degree.

The eternal building blocks of the universe are right here on earth. There is NOTHING in heaven that is not, or was not, on an earth first in a preparatory state.

Jesus is not two beings at the same time (God and man). Jesus was the son of God because His literal Father is God. His Father has a resurrected body, because He was once a Son and lived on an earth. Jesus does the works of His Father, as a faithful "Son" Always does.

The terms Father and Son in EVERY OTHER USAGE refer to beings in a LINEAGE- except for the creedal "Father" and "Son".

The lineage of God has no beginning in Mormonism. This is admittedly hard to understand, but has to do with our incomplete understanding of what 'time" is.

All the infinite beings in the exalted lineages are in perfect unity as explained in John 17. So God in the Mormon faith is Eternal, Infinite and ONE. They have power over all powers that exist, so they are all-powerful. And so forth.

We are subject to three finite exalted beings as our Godhead. But they are in perfect unity with all exalted beings before them.

Besides the lineage of Saviors of worlds, there are also lineages of Joint Heirs with Saviors. These lineages includes men and women such as Abraham and Sarah.

Adam, in Adam-God doctrine, came to this earth with a resurrected body. He had been faithful to His Savior on a previous earth. He is the father of the Spirits of mankind that come to this earth. He is in a lineage of Joint Heirs.

We are in Adam's lineage, so we can also become Joint Heirs. We cannot become Saviors, as we are not in that lineage. Jesus was the Only Begotten of His Father (The Savior of Adam on a previous earth) and is the only one in that Lineage to live on this earth.

Thus, those who do the works of Abraham and Sarah, and gain a throne as taught in the book of Revelations, will have the same reward as Adam and Eve have. Thus Adam is their head, and their Father and God.

They will be resurrected, begat spirit children (Probably with the help of others who have eternal marriages but do not gain the fullness), go down as a Michael with their Savior Jesus, a Jehovah, and create an earth. And then come and become Adam and Eve to begin giving temporal bodies to these spirit children.

The best understanding of Adam-God is had in the recent Mormon revelations found in the Second Book of Commandments. Read especially Sections 22 and 23.