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Really, well, I don't know why because your summary of beliefs is exactly what I was trying to say. You just did a better job of it.

Offtopic but, For further shock, keep on reading my posts. Today I am in a feisty mood, must be the season!

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Actually that is the opposite of what I was trying to say. The judicial bench is out of control, making things into law that just aren't so. This is where I see the influence of the Gospel and the membership having the most possible effect. That is, the judiciary must be reigned in. Abortion, homosexual "rights", gambling, forced bussing, forced taxation - all these have come about through judicial action, NOT legislative.

I agree with you completely on this. And this stance makes me very unpopular with most members of the Church. I hold to Joseph's statement, where he said that he teaches correct principles and lets the saints govern themselves.

This is why I tried to stress the idea of communities making the laws about obscenity, drugs, etc. And yes, I believe strongly that this is true for everyone, not just the US. I know that a lot of government systems don't allow this, but I think it is the best way to protect individual liberty and still provide for sound government. This is one of the things that members can be involved in.

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I took this to mean more LDS Judges would be a good thing. In my opinion, the only way to reign in what judges do is replace them with judges that really understand their role and do what they are supposed to do without overstepping their bounds. Judges are to determine the interpretation of the law and enforce it, but not write their own law.

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Tenaheff, I do not know if I agree with all of what you said earlier, for instance because the majority says they want something, it does not mean that I must follow through on it if I feel it is not right, I should do my best to change it within reasonable means. Sometimes things may not be reasonable and change takes place a different way. Short examples - the US revolt against the British, Venezuela's revolt against Spain, King's revolt against Racialism in the US, etc. Now if I am a leader and cannot cause change for good and my alignment is good then I think it is better to step down than do something that may affect millions. Now before you get ready to hit the reply button think about something... really government was born out of the lack of faith people had in the chosen Prophet. God would that man would follow the Prophet and those under him as the true government in all things both spiritual and physical. There was no such thing as a democracy really. Moses did not ask for a vote before doing something. God's way was/is always the right choice, but the people wanted a king, someone that could give some power.

Offtopic but, Tenaheff, you are something else, I think GIJane is perfect for you .

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JB, I don't think we are all that far apart in our beliefs. I think our common ground can be found in your statement # 3 and # 4. To me this is key. We are not speaking of revolution here but whether we should as LDS get more involved to force our beliefs on others via the law. I think we can only do this in a democracy if the people are convinced that it should be done.

I realize how the prophets used to be the law makers, but that has been changed and I believe the US constitution was inspired of God, so I believe we should follow it when we want to change laws, etc. So, the constitution says a politician represents the people.

Offtopic but, I thought about this for a few minutes before I replied.

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Uhummmm... not all is based on the US constitution

Offtopic but, Yes, I am only having alittle fun with you

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No, but maybe it should be. Now, before you reply, think of the LDS Church's position regarding the US constitution and how the men who wrote it did so through the inspiration of God. I realize this is not the LDS forum, but you are still LDS so I would expect it to affect your position.

I base it on more than the constiution though. I believe any democracy is such that the elected officials are supposed to represent the people who elected them, so I go right back to #3 and #4.

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Tenaheff, please slow down, you are going offtopic and this IS the LDS board, this is not a political rant session. My point is this is an International board with LDS from all over the world, not just the US, our govenments are not the same.