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It is good to see some healthy debate, however I will like to point out:

1. The Thread is supposed to be:

2. This Thread is supposed to be the LDS view, so it should be more than just shooting links back and forth to external resources.

3. If you want to theorize on the 911 / other conspiracies and not really LDS input then there are loads of Threads already engaged in that:

Are Republicans Warmongers Source 3

The Christian Right Source 2

New World Order Source 4

911 Conspiracy Source 4

Conspiracy by the Jews Source 6

End of the Nation State Source 8

Judaism vs Zionism Source 9

There are lots more within this Board, most of them in the Activism / Politics Board

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I think a major player in prophesy will be Russia. We can see that they are flexing their muscles with their entry into Georgia, and I would suspect that they hope to destabilize the entire region. They have threatened Poland with military strikes if they choose to coorperate with the United States in building a missile defence system and I suspect that they would love to gain some of the power back that they lost at the end of the Cold War. One does not have to stretch their imaginations much envisioning a Stronger Russia bringing prophesied sorrow on many individuals in Central and Eastern Europe.



I just hope missionary work won't be affected for the worst in the short run, as Russia has some very good members within its borders, not to mention the thousands of Saints in former regions once held by the Mother Country.

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Here are some video links of what our prophets think about the secret combinations.

Cleon Skousen explains Either 1.

(see Mature LDS Board)

Ezra Taft Benson on Russia and America.

(see Mature LDS Board)

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Now that sufficient time has passed for people to view what our leaders think of our own Government and others; I will reply to JB's question to the best of what I think.

There are 3 major factions.

1. The (Anglo Saxon americans) that have control over europe and the western hemisphere (us). They really don't know us that well. They have more control over the Northern hemisphere and hope to have more control over South America after.

2. The Chinese that want a Asian Union.

3. The Russian that are in the game. Shall we call them Assyrians. Probably the Chinese are Assyrians to.

All three Factions are evil. It appears that the anglo are the worst. I am Anglo and think that us Ephraim tribers have lost our way.

I don't agree with just using mormon sources JB. The church uses what ever source is right, but I am a guest so here is a mormon source. A really good one. In fact this ironed out many of my own beliefs. Come to think of it, this is the best source of this subject I can think of.

Joel Skousen's web:

(see Mature LDS Board)

Message Edited... JB: Please do not double Post, if you have more to add just edit your original Post. Please also read the Read Me Thread in this Board... sources ARE supposed to be LDS based because we are on the LDS Board. Lastly, links are meant to be a source of what you are saying not a replacement for it. In other words explain what the content is... quote the source first and then place a link IF the reader wants to know more. We want to keep the Discussion HERE not promote other sites. Much of what you are linking to is already in the Mature LDS Board anyway. Rather than link to external sources you can link to those actual Threads and continue Discussion there. If you have questions please post it in your Intro Thread.

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I do not think that we have come to the point in world history where the entire United States Government is so corrupt that it will be the country to start the Great and Last War.

I agree with you that their are some "secret combinations" in our government that could lead to such a development, but I don't think that they are found primarily in the Executive, Legislative, or Judicial Branches. I am more apt to believe that entities such as the State Department, clandestine organizations and various agencies in the government that have a lot of autonomy but are un-elected, are the workers behind much of the corruption in the Government, and our elected officials are of varying righteous and wicked propensities (meaning that there are some very righteous but unaware individuals and some wicked ones with a little more knowledge of the secret combinations). But I cannot claim to know who in the Government falls under these qualifications.

I see these un-regulated individuals from various departments in the government leading us to our prophesied destruction and wars, with our elected officials being primarily in the dark ( Secret combinations would imply a small few taking part in the big plan).
But that is just my opinion.

Rather off topic, but... QUOTE Ezra Taft Benson declared, "Unfortunately, we as a nation have apostatized in various degrees from different Constitutional principles as proclaimed by the inspired founders." (Ensign, Nov. 1987, p. 6.) President Benson also said QUOTE As I read that for the first time some years ago I thought, "What an indictment of corrupt would-be political leaders in many parts of the world-demagogues who deal in half-truths, innuendos, and falsehoods! Here the God of heaven has pointed out the type of men he wants elected to public office among his people." It is not enough, my brethren and sisters, just to stand on the sidelines and criticize what is taking place, and to point the finger of scorn at some political leader. It is our job, our duty, and our responsibility to take an active interest in these matters, and carry out the admonition and the commandment which God has given us to see to it that men of character-good men, as measured by the standards of the gospel-are elected to public office. So I do not disagree with you that their are corrupt leader in our Country, I just disagree with you on who these people are.

President Benson also said

So I do not disagree with you that their are corrupt leader in our Country, I just disagree with you on who these people are.

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In light of recent events people might need to try to look at it from the point of view that the Illuminati/secret combinations/whatever has much more far reaching influence than any of us could even imagine. It is the democrats fault. No.. no it is the republicans. Are you all going to believe these liars, or are you going to believe your prophet? Joseph Smith said that these to parties would tear America apart.

Go ahead and don't question anything. Just believe what you see on T.V. It is easier like that.

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I do not know much about the Illuminati except in the Dan Brown book. They make a good story, but I find it hard to believe that such a group controls so much power in a world where power is decentralizing and with the advent of NPGs and the liberal dispersement of information.
What I do know is that a bunch of bankers,mortgage brokers, and home buyer's got greedy. I have been working in this housing crisis for some time, and anyone that has been cleaning up this mess for the last year or so knew that it was going to get worse, and we are not through the worst of it yet. The problem is now that this crisis has broken out no one wants to take a loss so they are trying to pass to loss onto others, instead of trying to diffuse this. I see it all the time with the evictions that I am working with. It is just greed.



[/QUOTE]Are you all going to believe these liars, or are you going to believe your prophet? Joseph Smith said that these to parties would tear America apart.[QUOTE]

I did not know that Joseph prophesied about the housing crisis? Like I said it is not the Dems. or the Republicans that are greedy and making bad loans. It is greedy people trying to make easy money. Its capitalism at its finest.

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As far as I can tell most people believed the crap about the housing market getting better (99%). If you knew that the housing market was going under then I hope you were one of the very few people warning others. Anyone can claim anything after something has already happened.

I was talking more in general terms of the "secret combinations". The prophets talked about it. The BOM has talked about it and how it would plague these last days. Turns out they were right. I do believe JS did say something about the modern day banking system now that you bring it up. I am not sure but I will try to find it.

Look this is how it works. Corporations/banks spend all day trying to manipulate people and lobbying corrupt politicians into voting a certain way. Call it gifts and think of the organized crime. The dems and reps are absolutely involved with the corporations and are puppets to the big money people. That is no big secret.

If you all want to treat these politicians like Prophets and apostles then by all means feel free to do so.

They are Gadianton Robbers and it is so obvious.

Edited: Quasar on 28th Sep, 2008 - 3:53pm

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Comments: this is an interesting topic, BoM is full of it(Ex. Gadiantons robbers...) So I asked myself why did the Lord inspired Moroni to put all this stories about secret societies in BoM, but it also says that those secret combination will be present at last days and we know about Antichrist and his rule prior to the coming of the Saviour, it is kind of happening in front of our eyes, but we are not aware of it yet... I hope that it is not going to be too late until we realise that we are being stripped of all our liberties and freedom, I know that truth will prevail, but at what cost?