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Zechariah continues with a second element unique to this prophesied event:

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"¦And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
Modern day scripture, section 88 of the Doctrine and Covenants, weaves the prophesied elements of the great battle Armageddon and the appearance of the Savior on the Mount of Olives into the appearance of THE sign of His Coming and the associated earthquake in these words:
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For not many days hence and the earth shall tremble and reel to and fro as a drunken man; and the sun shall hide his face, and shall refuse to give light; "¦earthquakes, that shall cause groanings in the midst of her, and men shall fall upon the ground and shall not be able to stand. "¦And all things shall be in commotion; and surely, men's hearts shall fail them; for fear shall come upon all people. "¦And immediately there shall appear a great sign in heaven, and all people shall see it together.

With a picture of THE sign in your mind read: Isaiah. 60:19-20;
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The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

Will THE sign be self-luminous or perhaps reflective like a moon, will it partially obscure the light of the sun and moon?
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But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.


Section 88 describes what will happen following the appearance of THE great sign in heaven that all people shall see "¦together
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And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled; And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him. And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him "¦They are Christ's, the first fruits,


This is of course, speaking of the Coming of Jesus Christ in power and glory and the morning of the first resurrection when the saints, both the living and the resurrected dead will be caught up to meet him and then descend with Him. This appearance however, will not occur when Christ comes to Jerusalem to rescue the Jews. Section 88's ""¦half an hour" sounds like the Second Coming of the Savior will happen a short time after He makes His appearance upon the Mount of Olive until we remember:
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that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Half an hour of a thousand year day is about twenty one years which will allow ample time, after the battle, for the chores prophesied by the Old Testament prophet Ezekiel to be performed.
Ezek. 39:8-21
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Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken. And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years: So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamon-gog. And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. "¦And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.


Taking a chronological step backward: before Christ makes His appearance at the climactic conclusion of the Battle of Armageddon, Gog; the modern day Russia, from "out of the north parts", will mount a siege; the abomination of desolation, upon the city of Jerusalem that will last three and a half years:
Dan. 12
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"¦and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time (battle of Armageddon): and at that time thy people shall be delivered (by Jesus Christ upon the Mount of Olives), "¦And one said "¦How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? And I heard the man clothed in linen, "¦it shall be for a time, times, and an half (3 ½ years); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people (Israel), all these things shall be finished.
Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (3 ½ years).

special note: verse 12 tells when the Savior will make His appearance: Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (3 ½ years plus 45 days)
Rev. 11:2
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But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months
(3 ½ years).
Rev. 13:4-5
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And they (people of the world) worshipped the dragon (the devil) which gave power unto the beast (McConkie - government): and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months
(3 ½ years)

Gog with Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya "¦will think an evil thought; and in the latter years "¦come into the land "¦against the mountain of Israel, "¦to the land of unwalled villiages; "¦to carry away silver and gold. This assault will turn into a 1,290 day; 42 month; three and a half year campaign; the "abomination of desolation" and will conclude 45 days later with the appearance of the Savior Jesus Christ in Jerusalem at which time an earthquake will literally level every mountain range on the earth and all men worldwide will witness the appearance of THE sign of the His Second Coming. This milestone event will be followed by a twenty one year "half an hour," then and only then will the world witness the long awaited second coming of Jesus Christ to reign upon the earth for a thousand years.

In conclusion, referencing again the restitution of all things before the Second Coming: in an interview of Homer Brown of the Forest Dale ward, Granite Stake:
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Brother Brown, can you give us some light and explanation of the fifth verse "¦which speaks of the Ten Tribes of Israel on part of the earth which now forms another planet, according to the composer, Eliza R. Snow?

Eliza R. Snow a wife of the prophet wrote this poem:

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And when the Lord saw fit to hide
The ten lost tribes away,
Thou, earth, was severed to provide
The orb on which they stay.

And thus, from time to time, thy size
Has been diminished til
Thou seemest the law of sacrifice
Created to fulfill.

A restitution yet must come,
That will to thee restore,
By that grand law of worlds, thy sum
Of matter heretofore.

Yes, sir, I think I can-I think I can answer that question. Sister Eliza R. Snow, when visiting my grand parents, was asked by my grandmother: Eliza, where did you get your idea about the Ten Lost Tribes being taken as you explained in your hymn on page 386 of the Hymn Book? She answered as follows, Why, my husband, the Prophet Joseph told me about it.

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15th Jan, 2010 - 3:57am / Post ID: #

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I just had a couple of thoughts to add:
First of all I wanted to thank the last JoePublic responder, his thorough knowledge of the scriptures and prophecies was very enlightening. I have been reading a trilogy of books about the second coming written by Anthony E. Larson; the first book in this series is called "And the Moon Shall Be Trned To Blood" these books give another very thorough reckoning of the last days that compliments JoePublic's comments.

Second in response to several previous postings about April 6th being a possible day for the second coming; I just wanted to point out that many if not most important dates in latter day history fall on Jewish holidays.

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While not a central part of Mormon belief, Mormon scholars[who?] have pointed out that several major events in early Mormon history fall on Jewish holidays, either by divine design or coincidence. (It should be noted that Jewish holidays can last from two to eight days, and that "Erev" signifies the day before the holiday begins. Months in the Jewish calendar start on the new moon - the first day of the month, the day of the new moon, is referred to as "Rosh Chodesh". Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath is referred to as "Shabbat").
This was found at wikipedia today, but I have seen it at another website as well.



21st Jan, 2010 - 11:45pm / Post ID: #

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Whoever points out April 6th don't know what they're saying. No one knows the time of the second coming of the Lord and speculating about such a sacred thing is kind of strange.



24th Jan, 2010 - 3:20am / Post ID: #

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ChicaSUD said

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speculating about such a sacred thing is kind of strange.

I disagree, I've come to some deeper truths, by speculating. Or, rather searching things out in my mind. For me they are nearly the same. As long as things are weighed by the spirit and known scripture and truth. I don't think it is sacrilegious to discuss the time of the second coming, as we are told to "watch". There is nothing wrong with sharing what we are watching for. Besides, this was supposed to be a "fun" thread, as it's already been acknowledged that we can't know the exact time.

So here's my 2 cents. The Lord said in both new testament times, and D&C times, that neither he nor the angels knew the exact time. But only His Father. Who's to say he doesn't know now. Or that the half hour silence in heaven isn't His prep time. If its true that its heaven time (21 years) and not our time (30 min.) Then we could Know 21 years in advance. Because we know that, "The Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7)
Actually, I hope that Gwoodsidahoironcom is wrong about the half hour=21 years. Because I'd rather get it over with. The math is right, I just don't want to drag it out, once all starts in full force.

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24th Jan, 2010 - 7:00pm / Post ID: #

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What about if Jesus was speaking about people at that time? (when he said nobody knows about the time of his coming) you know what am I saying? More than 2,000 years passed he could well have spoken about folks at that time.



26th Jan, 2010 - 9:57pm / Post ID: #

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Section 88 describes what will happen following the appearance of THE great sign in heaven that all people shall see "¦together 

This is of course, speaking of the Coming of Jesus Christ in power and glory and the morning of the first resurrection when the saints, both the living and the resurrected dead will be caught up to meet him and then descend with Him. This appearance however, will not occur when Christ comes to Jerusalem to rescue the Jews. Section 88's ""¦half an hour" sounds like the Second Coming of the Savior will happen a short time after He makes His appearance upon the Mount of Olive until we remember:
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Half an hour of a thousand year day is about twenty one years which will allow ample time, after the battle, for the chores prophesied by the Old Testament prophet Ezekiel to be performed.
Ezek. 39:8-21

This sounds to me, like you are saying the second coming would be 21 years after the battle.

Rev 8:1 says:
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1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.


D&C 88:95 says :
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And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled; And the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him. And they who have slept in their graves shall come forth, for their graves shall be opened; and they also shall be caught up to meet him "¦They are Christ's, the first fruits,

So what I am seeing is that, the half hour begins at the opening of the seventh seal, and ends at the second coming. A total of 21 years.

Notice the events that take place during the seventh seal.This is taken from the New Testament sunday school manual.

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First seal

  The creation and fall of Adam and Eve; the ministry of Enoch and the translation of his city into heaven (Revelation 6:1-2).

 
Second seal

  Noah and the Flood (Revelation 6:3-4).

 
Third seal

  Ministries of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, and Moses; the Exodus; the period of reign by judges (Revelation 6:5-6).

 
Fourth seal

  The period of reign by kings; the division of the kingdom; the conquering of the kingdoms (Revelation 6:7-8).

 
Fifth seal

  The birth, ministry, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; the establishment of his Church and the ministry of the Apostles; martyrdom of the Apostles; the Apostasy (Revelation 6:9-11).

 
Sixth seal

  Continuation of the Apostasy; restoration of the gospel through the Prophet Joseph Smith; signs of the times manifest (Revelation 6:12-17; 7:1-8).

 
Seventh seal

  Wars, plagues, and desolation; Second Coming of the Lord (Revelation 8:1-19:21). Millennium of peace (Revelation 20:1-6). Satan loosed for a season, the last great battle, and the final judgment (Revelation 20:7-15).


 
After the seventh seal

  The earth is celestialized (Revelation 21:1-22:6).


MARK1616



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17th Feb, 2010 - 11:55pm / Post ID: #

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If you're into the recent publicity about the ancient Mexican Indian calendar then the exact time will be December 23, 2012. I'll probably be Christmas shopping just about then.



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