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3rd May, 2008 - 3:07pm / Post ID: #

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The language of Adam was supposed to be also the language of God, now we have to settle for English.



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Post Date: 5th May, 2008 - 2:41am / Post ID: #

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The Sumerian language per se did not appear suddenly. It must have had a history as all languages have, excepting of course the original language. Probably what is meant when someone says it appeared suddenly is that Sumerian had a written language for which we have not, as far as I've read to date, found a predecessor. It was, in other words, the first writing system, at least in western Asia.

The Sumerians did not suddenly disappear. They were involved in the creation of subsequent empires.

We will be able to speak whatever language we wish in the hereafter. I will prefer to speak with my parents using the language of our home on earth. In addition, I have learned other languages, and expect to use them. The existence of a universal language should not require the elimination of all others.

By its very nature, human language is imperfect in expression; so there will be no language so "perfect" that it will out-class all the others. Some languages, such as English, are well-suited for a working environment, Chinese perhaps for discussions of philosophy. Who knows? It is certain that different languages divide the universe differently.

We do not know any language that pre-existed written language. Linguists create hypothetical constructs derived from their knowledge of later languages. The words that are allegedly "Adamic" were in fact spoken by native speakers of English, so undoubtedly were spoken with an English pronunciation. There would be no telling how far from the correct pronunciation they were. In addition, there is no grammar of Adamic. Even if we had more words than have been postulated, we have no idea how to put them together. Should they be seen as a Subject-Verb-Object language, or Verb-Subject-Object, or another mix?

I believe that communication in the next life will be whatever language we wish it to be in. Nonetheless, when we commune with Deity, it may be that we will be able to communicate more deeply than any human language could reach.

Words of themselves do not effect nature - no matter what language you use, if you cry "Break!" to a rock, it will not break -, but the effect of the meaning of the words upon a person may effect his behavior and thus bring about a change in nature. What changes the world is faith followed by action. Words are for giving instruction and expressing emotion.

Post Date: 5th May, 2008 - 5:19am / Post ID: #

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Stavyn said:

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Words of themselves do not effect nature - no matter what language you use, if you cry "Break!" to a rock, it will not break -, but the effect of the meaning of the words upon a person may effect his behavior and thus bring about a change in nature. What changes the world is faith followed by action. Words are for giving instruction and expressing emotion.


The ancients considered the alphabet to embody the power of God. The alphabet was considered by the Hebrews to have been the means of creation. It is one of the lamentations of Kaballists today that language has become so meaningless- reduced to simple representations.

Joseph Smith said,
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Let us here offer some explanation in relation to faith, that our meaning may be clearly comprehended.  We ask, then, what are we to understand by a man's working by faith?  We answer- we understand that when a man works by faith he works by mental exertion instead of physical force.  It is by words instead of exerting his physical powers, with which every being works when he works by faith.... Faith, then, works by words; and with these its mightiest works have been, and will be, performed. - Lectures on Faith 7:3.


Aryeh Kaplan, kaballah scholar wrote, speaking of the 22 basic letters of the Hebrew alphabet:
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In the simplest sense, these are called Foundation letters because it was through the letters of the Hebrew alphabet that the universe was created.  The Sefer Yetzirah itself therefore says of the letters, "with them He depicted all that was formed, and all that would ever be formed" (2:2)....  With each act of creation, the Torah reports that "God said...."  The decrees through which God brought creation into being consisted of sayings.  These in turn consisted of words, and these words were formed of letters.  Hence, it was through the letters of the alphabet that the universe was created.- Sefer Yetzirah, 26.


Tidejwe wrote:
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Yes, we know very few words in Adamic, but a few have been revealed. I have a list of them somewhere. "Pay Lay Ale" for example...


Where did we get the idea that "Pay Lay Ale" was Adamic? Seems clearly Hebrew to me.

Again, Kaplan writes in Sefer Yetzirah
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[T]he Word peleh meaning a miracle.  A miracle is separated and independent form the laws of the physical world.  It is also influenced by hidden forces.  As such, it a link with the mystical and transcendental plane...  The word Peleh thus denotes the transition from the revealed to the concealed.- p. 11


Thus, in Hebrew, Peleh=new revelation, manifestation of a supernatural or divine providence. El=God. Figure it out for yourself.

As for Adamic:
Joseph Sampson, in his wonderful book, Written by the Finger of God states:
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To approach an understanding of the ideograms of Hebrew, which are radicals of the broader Adamic...

He goes on to say that we must consider Proto-hebrew as well as Joseph Smith's Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar in determining the nature of Adamic.

One thing is clear, Adamic was written in a symbolic manner, vowels determined the spirituality and power of a word, "a" being the most powerful. Have fun!

Post Date: 20th Aug, 2008 - 11:20pm / Post ID: #

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Another interesting topic.

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The words that are allegedly "Adamic" were in fact spoken by native speakers of English, so undoubtedly were spoken with an English pronunciation. There would be no telling how far from the correct pronunciation they were. In addition, there is no grammar of Adamic.

I have a friend that is fluent in the Adamic language. He didn't know what it was only that he was filled with the spirit when he spoke it and only spoke it in prayer and shared it with very few people. I eventually realized what he was speaking when he read some supposed Adamic words and recognized them. His pronunciations were very different from that generally used in English. For example, he would always pray to Elohim, pronounced very different but close enough to tell, and close in the name of Jehovah, also pronounced differently. He had never heard either of these names until he joined the church. (His father was a preacher and disowned him.) He had this gift long before joining the church and serving a mission where I first met him. It seems that the pronunciation can only be received by revelation, but can be received.

20th Aug, 2008 - 11:34pm / Post ID: #

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I have a friend that is fluent in the Adamic language.

How do you know that? This is like me saying my good friend is fluent in French but I don't know French, how can I state that? Yes, I may know some words in French but I cannot judge fluency based on my limited knowledge.



Post Date: 21st Aug, 2008 - 1:56am / Post ID: #

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"How do you know that? This is like me saying my good friend is fluent in French but I don't know French, how can I state that? Yes, I may know some words in French but I cannot judge fluency based on my limited knowledge." - LDS_forever

He was speaking by the spirit, and so the Spirit carried the message to my heart and we were both edified. Because I could understand it through the spirit which told me it was indeed the Adamic language. I have heard many people speak in various languages, (that I could not understand), and none had the power behind it like this. Even testimony's given in english or other languages have never provided such an experience. He spoke it quite easily and without effort. Also, he seemed to have completed control as to when he spoke it ever since he was young when he prayed using it the first time. So I would assume he was fluent.
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2 Ne. 33: 1
  1 And now I, Nephi, cannot write all the things which were taught among my people; neither am I amighty in writing, like unto speaking; for when a man speaketh by the power of the Holy Ghost the power of the Holy Ghost carrieth it unto the hearts of the children of men.


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21st Aug, 2008 - 8:53am / Post ID: #

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I have a friend that is fluent in the Adamic language.


I also have doubts about his abilities to know the language, but that would be my own lack of faith in your friends mastery of the language. I just don't believe it. Of course this doesn't make a difference in the truthfulness of your assertion, but I have my doubts. I am still cynical in some things.

I just think you could be wrong about your knowledge of his fluency. But I will not question your spiritual experience because that is yours, and I would be the last to say you did not have a genuine spiritual experience.



Post Date: 21st Aug, 2008 - 8:51pm / Post ID: #

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I don't doubt his assertion at all about his friend speaking the Adamic Language. I know from personal experience that this is possible. My father would give us kids our blessings in the Adamic Language nearly every time. You've never heard something so touching and beautiful until you've heard someone who has been moved upon by the Spirit to do so.

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