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Unfortunately I can't ignore chemistry, archaeology, plate tectonics, physics and so forth. And we are talking about DINOSAURS, not Elephants, Rhinos, Hippos, Crocodiles, Giraffes or Ostriches. How can you even relate them to this topic, it makes no sense. Please stay on topic. And the "learned" are smart and right about most things proven as fact. If you would endeavor into continuing education and become a leading professor in science and mathematics, I'm sure you would change your tune. Granted the wisdom of man holds no light against the wisdom of the Almighty, but simple plain facts are abound and cannot be ignored. Some people are OK with being led blindly and others have questions and need answers. Search, Ponder and Pray is what we who were born into the church have been taught since early childhood and that is exactly what this is. If the scientists and mathematicians (the "learned") are so misguided in all their great and awesome breakthroughs in their fields, then how is it that we've been to the Moon and sent vehicles to Mars, have televisions, iPODs, advanced medicines like chemotherapy, the atom bomb, cloned animals, and so forth? And there is no proof at all that dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago, not to mention all the time they would have lived until "going extint". Bturner540 is making some serious leaps of faith, to that I commend you, but please, the blind leading the blind is not a good thing.

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Someone told me that the creation room of the Manti Temple has something on dinosaurs?

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Paratrooper, I stand completely by what I said. If you want to stand by your opinions, then do it. Don't however, come onto this thread and browbeat another for an opinion. Otherwise, you have no business here tearing someone's opinion down.

My opinion may be absurd to you, but yours can be equally absurd to me. Let's keep mudslinging out of it OK? Now, have a nice evening.

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Well who are you going to believe....the "scientists," specifically carbon dating....which is in direct conflict with what the scriptures teach us....that is that the world was created in six days and rest on the seventh. We have specifically been told that 1000 earthly years are equal to 1 day of God's time. We have been told that matter was organized to create the actual earth....maybe that is where the 65 billion years old carbon dating stuff comes from....but that is neither here nor there because were told that on the fifth day animals were created, before man was created after all the herbs and plants were planted. That would have been year 5000 into the creation....not billions of years ago.

Yes scientists and mathematicians are extremely wonderful additions to the human race...I personally feel my husband is a genius; who is an engineer. But the facts are and what we are taught in the temple, what we are taught in the scriptures, do not compliment carbon dating; therefore, it must be incorrect.

We have also been taught that animals and Adam and Eve were unable to die or procreate until the fall....so if we do the "math," this means that the dinos did have to live amongst humans at some point.

If God creates all worlds in the same manner in which he did the earth; which I believe he does, that would mean there would be a creation, a fall, an atonement, and a resurrection.

Saying that, means there would be no world out there floating around with unresurected animals on it (dinos); that does not fit into the pattern; that would be unfair....all spirts that have received a body will be resurrected with a body; including dinos; This is why we have Christ; otherwise death would be permanent.

So that means to me, no dino bones were taken from another planet and placed on ours, they indeed lived here, and are a part of our world. Maybe for fossil fuels; which I think I will actually start to do resarch on next; I don't quite understand how that works.

Anyways, I believe that Satan would love for us to be unclear on the creation. I believe if we truly understood the creation, our faith would be incredibly strong, faith empowers us....Satan probably prefers un-empowered people to tempt.

Thank you all for challenging my little ideas I have floating around in my head!

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Alright, bturner540, this is a debate, cool your jets. I don't apologize for what I said. I meant no offense. Why don't you just retort and defend your position? Look, all I'm saying is that there are a lot of things that are told to us that I feel are completely ridiculous and don't matter at all to our salvation. Personally, I think if Heavenly Father wanted us to have the answers to these questions, we would have them in an undisputable fashion. All of this is speculation as far as I'm concerned. God is bound by the laws of nature and physics and he manipulates the elements of the universe including time to do his will. If you don't agree with me that's fine, but at least make sense. I would love to know the truth about this. By the way, carbon dating is only accurate to about 50,000 years and the age of the universe is only 13.5 to 14 billion years old. And the 1,000 years to one day thing comes from the hypocephalus in the Book of Abraham. Unfortunately, it has been debunked as a fraud by egyptologists, as well as the other two papyri. Do your own research [..] Search, ponder and pray my friends. One thing for sure is that this bothers me big time.

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Look, this is simple folks. G-d gave us brain for us to use it. This is common sense. There are dinosaur fossils that date back MILLIONS of years so the whole theory that the earth is only 3,000 years old isn't true you know what am I saying?. Plus, does the church has an official position on this? (how old is the Earth) I remember reading several quotes in the past and the GA weren't sure but I will have to research on that point.

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I know I am late to this discussion, just joined the forum recently. But if anyone looks back at this discussion I would like them to consider 2 ideas. I will also try to back them up with good references.

Idea one:
true science and true religion will ultimately say the same thing.

Ezra Taft Benson, "Your Charge: To Increase in Wisdom and Favor with God and Man," New Era, Sept. 1979, p. 41

Russell M. Nelson, "The Magnificence of Man," Ensign, Jan. 1988, p. 67

Spencer W. Kimball, in speech to BYU entitled "Education for Eternity" quoting President J. Rueben Clark

My conclusion from idea one: If a scientific theory conflicts with revealed religion, throw it out and keep looking for new theories until one actually makes sense.

Idea two: (of course now I am going to suggest some theory that makes sense, but don't worry I will quote church materials)
Please go on the internet and pull up the Institute Old Testament Student Manual
click on chapter 2 (regarding the creation)

scroll down to where it says "How old is the Earth" and there below the picture is one of the only references that any LDS manual has, referring to a secular writer who happens to be a scientist and is not a member of our faith. In his books he proposes a theory that any LDS person who loves to study deep doctrines would love.

My conclusion #2, the Mortal Earth is around 6,000 years old.

My conclusion #3, how long the creation took (I am not sure) but I feel confident in saying that it happened quicker than most of us think. Consider Joshua's long day.

Joshua 10:12-14

and also

Helaman 12:8-19

Basically, God or the Priesthood can speak and massive objects (the earth) can be moved counter to the science that we normally observe.

Regarding dinosaurs, I believe McConkie told us plainly. And so I say, what controversy?

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I personally do not think McConkie told us anything other than his opinion. My friend is a biology professor at BYU, and he said that they do teach evolution, and dinosaurs. In fact, he said about 99% of the science faculty believes in evolution. he also said that the church has taken careful steps to in the new institute manuals to not say anything against evolution, as the request of BYU science department. I personally believe in evolution, and dinosaurs, and that the bible tells us nothing at all about such topics. But in the end of the day, what really matters is what keeps you going, and keeping the faith. I do not think it is of any consequence to believe or not to believe in such things.