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Post Date: 13th Jul, 2011 - 1:05pm / Post ID: #

Mormons & The Trinity

Mormons & The Trinity
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Name: Josephine

Comments: What do Mormons believe about the Holy Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost?

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14th Jul, 2011 - 5:41am / Post ID: #

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We believe in them. However, we do not accept the trinity doctrine which is not Biblical. Some distinct-from-the-trinity LDS doctrines about the Godhead:

1. The Three are separate Beings as well as separate Persons.
2. The Three are separate individual Gods. The Father is the God we worship (pray to).
3. The Father and Son have physical bodies that look like ours.
4. The Father and Son are homo sapiens. They are resurrected, perfected, and married (Jesus by implication) men. They are the same type of beings we are.
5. The Father is the literal father of our spirits. As such we believe there is a Mother in Heaven though we have little doctrine on her and we do not worship (pray to) her. So we, Jesus, the angels, Satan, everyone are all brothers and sisters (spirit) and the same type of beings as well.
6. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit. He does not have a physical body.
7. We believe that they are all one God and the same God, though obviously not in the same way as trinitarians. Lexically, they are one God, unified in purpose; and they are in (standing next to in support of) each other.
8. Jesus is sometimes called the Father because: 1) he is the Creator of the physical universe 2) The author (or Father) of our salvation 3) He speaks for and on behalf of the Father.

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Post Date: 14th Jul, 2011 - 6:16am / Post ID: #

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Josephine,

Here is my opinion on where the doctrine of the Trinity gets misinterpreted. It begins with the doctrine of "Divine Ivesteture" which encompasses the doctrine of "Being One with God". Many times in the scriptures angels and messengers speak as if they were actually God, and it can get very confusing. In fact when an angel visited John on the isle of Patmos, John thought the angel was God, because he spoke as if he were God, however when John tried to worship him, the angel commanded him to stop, and said he was an angel and not the Lord.

Because the angel knew the mind, will, and even the very words that God himself would speak as God, he was given "Divine Investeture", or in other words he was "One" with God. What the angel did was no different than what God himself would have done in that very situation. In fact that is probably why God sent him. He had become "One with God", in mind, will, and purpose.

We are commanded to become one with God, but that doesn't mean we become part of him. In the Same sense we can reach a point in our progression (like the angel did) where we can be "Divnely Invested" with the trust of God to do exactly as he would do, and even to speak as if we were God. Of course to get to this point to become God's ambassador, is almost impossible to comprehend to us, but righteous men, and angels have attained to it; the scriptures are a testament to that fact. The Father and the Son, and the Holy Ghost have attained it, and are the supreme example to us of perfection, harmony, and unity.

They are three separate personages. The scriptures point to this over and over. However the oneness they experience is in mind, will and purpose.

That is my understanding of how the Trinity are "One".

14th Jul, 2011 - 2:35pm / Post ID: #

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4. The Father and Son are homo sapiens. They are resurrected, perfected, and married (Jesus by implication) men. They are the same type of beings we are.


Where do you get the idea that Father and Son are homo sapiens? (would love a source for that). And do we know for sure Jesus was married? (even though I believe he was, it's surely not in the scriptures you know what am I saying?).

Wnevil, interesting points brother.



14th Jul, 2011 - 5:48pm / Post ID: #

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Where do you get the idea that Father and Son are homo sapiens? (would love a source for that).


For the Father, Gospel Principles, Chapter 47 Exaltation. For the Son, father like son. Also, if we are created in His image, then we are the same type of being.

And do we know for sure Jesus was married? (even though I believe he was, it's surely not in the scriptures you know what am I saying?).

That's why I said "by implication". We know that to inherit the highest degree in the CK, one must be married. Thus Jesus must be married now.

When did it happen? Speculations:

1. He was married before or during his ministry.
2. He was married during the time between death and resurrection.



14th Jul, 2011 - 7:45pm / Post ID: #

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For the Father, Gospel Principles, Chapter 47 Exaltation. For the Son, father like son. Also, if we are created in His image, then we are the same type of being.


Hmmm...not quite. First of all, I didn't read anything about the father and the son being homo sapiens (that also gives the idea of an evolution process hmmm) and just because we're created in His image and he may have a body of flesh and bones does it automatically mean Father is an homo sapien? Not trying to split hairs but I am coming from the idea that Heavenly Father is probably not from this Earth.



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15th Jul, 2011 - 12:49am / Post ID: #

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Yes quite. Do you know any men who are not homo sapiens? Seriously.

An alternative might be a Star Trek like menagerie of humanoids and being humanoid is good enough to be "created in His image", but I think I'll stick closer to the doctrine for now.

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15th Jul, 2011 - 8:04pm / Post ID: #

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(that also gives the idea of an evolution process hmmm)


Well yes. While the Church takes no position on evolution or creationism, evolution itself can be completely compatible with LDS doctrine without modification.

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