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Pharisaic attempt? I fail to see the connection between the two. For me, it all boils down to obedience. If your Bishop is asking you to wear a white shirt to pass the Sacrament then why rebel against the person that was called by God to lead your ward? The spirit of rebellion isn't from God.

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I disagree with Writer, as a piece of clothing may very well be necessary to ensure an ordinance is carried out correctly, which is paramount for it's validity as the LORD will not receive at our hands that which HE hath not appointed (cf. D&C 132:8-10). If our ordinances are to avail anything, we need to render perfect obedience to the law of GOD as it was revealed, and follow HIS rules. Otherwise our ordinances are void, or in the words of President Joseph F. Smith "we might as well baptize a sack of potatoes." Clothing may very well be significant, just read the Priest's dress as described in Leviticus. This is vital. The same thing goes for the Garment. The Garment that was revealed unto us from the Heavens cannot be changed or altered in any way, whether it is the cuts, the pattern, color or anything else without making it void. We cannot shorten it without shearing ourselves of the Light and Glory of GOD which it represents. If we alter it, we might as well not wear it.

Yet, this case of obedience is not required of men, no matter who they are, who they are appointed by. We are bound by Law unto the LORD, and unto the LORD ONLY. For those who shall trust the flesh shall fall. The prophets have always testified of our need for independence from men. We need to stand ourselves as priesthood bearers, for as such we are the prophets and lawgivers of our houses, and thus have the highest authority in these realms. Simply because one priesthood bearer, or even all of the highest ranking members of the priesthood decide a policy, or even a change of doctrine, it does not mean anything unless it is the word of the LORD. These men may be well meaning, but they cannot alter the truth. The Eternal Laws and Truths of Heaven cannot be altered in any degree. And we are to neither add nor take from them. For adding or taking ANYTHING is from the devil as we are informed numerous times in the scriptures. Requiring perfect obedience to men of truth is therefore not the spirit of GOD, but the spirit of the devil.

A white shirt and tie has not been revealed as a symbol, nor where we given any commandments in that matter. We have nothing like unto "Thus sayeth the LORD: unless ye shall wear white shirts, your ordinances shall be futile, and I shall ignore thy callings and praying, and ye shall fall away unto darkness. But unto all who wear white shirts I declare: ye are justified, and more so ye are promised to go into eternal rest amongst the great patriarchs of old."
Joseph Smith informed us that unless something is given by "Thus sayeth the LORD", we shall not consider it binding upon us. This has always been the case in the early church, but unfortunetly our modern church is streamlining, and becoming more "uniform." Brigham once taught "uniformity" is not something we should seek at all, and is contrary to the very nature of Zion. This seems to have been all forgotten in this modern church, for now we teach obedience to the church leaders, instead of focusing on obedience to GOD above all things and unrelentlessly, without ceasing and unstoppable.

This is what the prophets have said about such types of obedience:

President Joseph F. Smith said,

(Journal of Discources (JD) 16:248)

Apostle Charles W. Penrose, who would later serve as counselor to President Smith, declared:

(Millennial Star 54:191)

(Millennial Star, vol.14 #38, pp. 593-95)

(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pp. 237-38)

George Q. Cannon, Counselor to three Church Presidents, expressed it thus:

(Millennial Star 53:658-59, quoted in Gospel Truth, 1:319)

(Brigham Young, JD 3:45)

(Brigham Young, JD 1:312)

Such are the words of men of God. The laws of our salvation and Exaltation have been laid down from the very beginning and are unchangeable. The whole of the Gospel is unchangeable. What some people interpret as a "changeable Gospel according to the needs of men" is not a changeable Gospel, but GOD in HIS mercy taking away the fullness of the Gospel and giving them a lesser portion, with lesser laws, lesser glory, unable to exalt a human soul. GOD has never required His priesthood to wear white shirts in order for their ordinances "to count." There is no such thing. We should dress appropriately, this is the requirement. This means to be dressed in a way that we would not have to be ashamed of ourselves should we be called to stand before the very LORD of Heaven Himself. This means first and foremost that we must be clean, inwardly and outwardly, and that we must cover our nakedness. Fully and completely, like the men of GOD always have and always will. If we do thus, it mattereth not whether we wear a white shirt or a blue shirt. It matters that we have cleansed ourselves and prepared ourselves. It matters that we have been faithful. We have followed GOD's word, not the words of men, whatever their position in the ecclesiastical hierarchy may be. For this church is but the reflection of the church we seek to belong too, like unto the reflection of the moon on the waters. We are in the Church of Christ, to prepare us to be called into the Church of the Firstborn.

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That is excellent information. That is exactly what I have been trying to say.

We have a similar topic in the mature LDS boards. I think you could add greatly to the discussions there.

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The Prophet is the mouthpiece of the Lord on Earth. Through him and the Apostles it is asked of Priesthood holders to wear a white shirt to pass the sacrament. If you believe these good men have been called by God and receive inspiration to establish doctrines and policies, you would be obedient.

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Is there an actual policy? My understanding is that it varies on the area and the leadership. If it was an actual policy then every single ward around the world would be following this and they don't.

It's sad when I hear members worrying about insignificant things that have no impact on the actual ordinance. The Lord looks into our hearts not what we wear.

Mormon Priesthood Must Wear White Shirt and Ties?

Name: Ryan

Comments: The issue of whether or not a white shirt is or isn't required is a long debated topic. I think the correct principle is to wear a white shirt during a priesthood ordinance. With that said it is an individual matter for each member to come to terms with. Apostles of the Lord have made suggestions that we should wear white shirts when administering the sacrament. The question which remains is whether we want to follow the counsel of the brethren? It is really that simple. Yes personal worthiness is most important but with all things being equal and worthiness is not an issue (cause you are) then it most appropriate where possible to follow the counsel and put on a white shirt. Any less shows indifference (unless you don't own a white shirt...but most members have one or several)to the counsel of the Lord's servants.

We make excuses for everything. At the end of the day, how hard is it to follow simple counsel from the Lord's servants? It is a matter of personal conversion and only an individual can answer if they have truly been converted to the Lord and His church.

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I think it's an individual choice and not really about following the counsel of the brethren. Now I fully understand if we're speaking about an issue like personal hygiene but we're speaking about the color of a shirt? To be honest I think it's a little too much.

I'm not a man but I don't think it's hard however I can empathize with those who may think it's not a matter of following the counsel but a matter of whether the church should tell you what kind of color shirt you should wear.

Thanks for your input but I'm just wondering how exactly is this a matter of personal conversion?

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I don't see how this is a matter of personal conversion either. We are commanded to follow the words of God, not the words of men. The Lord nowhere commanded to wear white shirt and tie, and it wouldn't make any sense either. Suit, white shirt and tie is the business outfit of Babylon. How come we now consider it a matter of personal conversion how much we imitate Babylon?

It would literally make more sense if the church required us to wear tunics when administering the sacrament, or to have our heads covered, both Israelite customs. Wearing a prayer shawl would even make more sense! (that would even comply with the commandment to wear fringes on our garments).

The church wants to look neat. Is that bad? No. Putting a fence around the word of the Lord, and making others bow to the yoke of men, is sacrilege. Remember how frequently the Lord said that "whosoever sayeth more or less than this is not of me"? This is a case of the church adding to the word of God, not for bad intent I'm sure, but nevertheless adding to the word of God and expecting others to bow to their yoke just like the Pharisees expected others to bow to their "Oral Torah" and minhag.

I think it's sad how we know have to argue about wearing Babylonian clothing that the Lord never commanded, when the actual way the ordinance was administered has changed, and Joseph Smith taught that whenever there is a change in ordinances, there's a change in Priesthood (it's in TPJS, and doesn't sound too good, does it?) When was the last time you guys had a sacrament that was blessed with the officiator giving the sign of the Aaronic priesthood? When was the last time the officiator partook of the bread first, rather than a bishop or other high ranking officer? Does your bishop give the Deacons and Teachers jobs related to the administering of the sacrament, although the Lord specifically prohibited this in D&C 20 (like preparing the sacrament, passing it out)? Does your ward hand the sacrament through the rows, being passed indiscriminately between priesthood bearer and those not bearing the priesthood, though the church was instructed to have those handing it out give to each person individually? These all are real changes to the way the sacrament is administered and should give us more reason to think and debate than whether or not it is appropriate to wear a colored shirt during the administration of the sacrament.