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Oh brothers, isnt this tune familiar? Members of the church in general are so predictable with the "lets not judge" comment....Anyhow...Listen bturner are you going to preach us or are you going to say whether being fat due to overeating goes against the WOW?
For me a person who reaches 300 lbs and continue is committing suicide you know what am I saying? Let me not mention the psychological aspect of the whole thing they obviously have serious issues and YES folks I believe eating 'til you explode goes against the WOW.

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I thought bturner was clear enough. Strict adherence to the Word of Wisdom would probably lead to most people being relatively fit and trim.

However, the Word of Wisdom is meant to be advisory, not compulsory. It says so itself. Being "fat", as far as I can see, is NOT of major eternal importance. The Word of Wisdom never says anything about obesity. All it does is give good advice about what types of food will provide us with the best health.

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Yes obviously Nighhawk like anything else. Keep in mind though you cant get a temple recommend if you're not adhering to the WOW so I aint sure how advisory really is.

Its funny you say that because of your opinion on the other thread about what is and what isnt important for our salvation you almost sound like those folks.

Does it have to be spelled out? Come on you know what am I saying? The WOW doesnt say anything about a lot of things as an example illegal drugs does it mean those who take it arent breaking the WOW? Or isnt according to you of "major eternal importance"?

I dont wanna change the topic you know what am I saying? When someone is obese is breaking the WOW which is a law of health. Members need to stop eating meat like its candy and stop indulging in all kind of pastries and junk food you know what am I saying?. Just because you dont drink or smoke but you eat like a pig you're obeying the WOW. Nope. That's foolish.

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How is the Word of Wisdom essential for our eternal lives? Based upon what it says, it is advisory, created to provide us with the best possible situation for our lives. It helps us to have clear minds and avoid many of the health problems around.

In the 1930's, the Church needed to find a basic standard for the temple recommend to replace an earlier standard that was no longer acceptable to the Church leadership. They chose the 4 Don'ts of the Word of Wisdom - Tobacco, Alcohol, Coffee, and Tea. It wasn't until much later that drugs were added (it was still legal to use cocaine, heroin, and marijuana at that time).

I still don't see that obesity is even implied. I see that we are enjoined to eat meat sparingly, and to base our diets upon grains, fruits, and vegetables.

This is not to say that obesity is good in any way. I just don't see it in the Word of Wisdom. Based upon our current cultural biases, I think that we infer things in the Word of Wisdom that just are not there.

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I think those things that alter the mind significantly (drugs and alcohol, and in cases nicotine) can affect our spiritual progression more then excess meat and food.

This is not an excuse for overeating, but I do not think that this problem is as potentially soul destroying as alcohol and mind altering drugs.

I agree with Nighthawk: The Word of Wisdom does not address the weight issue at all. The Lord does say our bodies are temples, so it may be more constructive to approach the issue of overeating from that angle rather then using the Word of Wisdom to foster a healthy lifestyle.

There are, I believe, degrees in the Word of Wisdom and I think some things are more dangerous then others to ones salvation. However, each case may be different and overeating may in fact be a weakness that causes someone to fall spiritually more then other issues discussed in the Word of Wisdom. That would be an issue between God and that person.

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Listen folks the reasoning is illogical. If illegal drugs arent mentioned along with dozens of stuff that is bad for us then why would obesity due to overeating be there? We know both are wrong and goes against the WOW. I think the position you guys are holding is the one of being "too comfortable". Because we're speaking about FOOD but you guys are forgetting that for obese people, food has become a POISON for them. Can we safely say that someone weighing 300lbs is spiritually in great shape as they continue stuffing themselves to the point where their heath and life is in jeopardy you know what am I saying? I cant agree with that.

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Suziesu,

Essentially there is 2 different "word of wisdoms" in the church. There is the D&C 89 and the temple recommend word of wisdom. (this is my interpretation of how I keep this straight.)
Nighthawk is correct, the D&C 89 is not compulsory, and it is a word of wisdom. It was never met to be a commandment like we today use it. It talks about eating meat sparingly, and to eat grains and fruits in season and etc.

However as pointed out earlier it was much later that the word of wisdom was used as a requirement of a temple recommend. This word of wisdom has been interpreted to mean alcohol, coffee, teach, tobacco, and illicit drugs. No where was the rest of the word of wisdom implied in the temple recommend interview. Even as missionaries we commit our investigators to live the word of wisdom for baptism. It is specifically interpreted as alcohol, coffee, tea, tobacco, and illicit drugs. We never commit them to grain, and eating meat sparingly. So to me this seems to be 2 different word of wisdoms. And Yes illicit drugs is not mentioned in the D&C, but it was added to the temple recommend version of the WOW.
So with that said, it may be unhealthy to be obese, but it is not breaking the WOW in the commandment since of it, but I can see that the effects of obesity are the results on not heading to some of the D&C version which was given as advise, and wisdom, not as a commandment.

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If being obese is breaking the Word of Wisdom then I dare to say a great chunk of members of the Church would not have a Temple recommend.