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QUOTE Because for the past three years, global - Page 19 - Politics, Business, Civil, History - Posted: 29th Aug, 2007 - 10:53pm
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Global warming has been in and out as the "latest" hot topic for many years. It is, according to modern scientists, the result of man-made industrial pollutants, clearing forested areas, agriculture, etc. But now they are thinking it started way before the Industrial Revolution...Global Warming: Natural Or Man-made? - Page 19
Buenos Aires has it's first snow fall in nearly 90 years!
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| The national weather service said it was the first major snow in Buenos Aires since June 22, 1918, though sleet or freezing rain have been periodically reported in decades since. One man stripped to his shorts to welcome the snow. Motorists honked horns, some with small snowmen on their car bonnets. The conditions led to the deaths of three people and the coastal city's domestic airport, Aeroparque, was closed while there were delays to flights at the international airport, Ezeiza. A government minister, Alberto Fernández, called on people to conserve energy and said gas exports to Chile would be reduced while the cold weather continued, La Nación newspaper reported. The storm struck on Argentina's independence day holiday, adding to a festive air and prompting radio stations to play an old tango song inspired by the 1918 snowfall, "What a night!" "This is the kind of weather phenomenon that comes along every 100 years," forecaster Hector Ciappesoni told La Nación newspaper. "It is very difficult to predict." The extreme weather was triggered by a front of Antarctic air that has pushed north and caused temperatures to plummet in many regions. The Patagonian ski resort town of Bariloche recorded its lowest temperatures in 44 years and left many homes without water. Lakes froze over in RÃo Negro province as temperatures reached minus 32C, ClarÃn newspaper reported, and 500 travellers were forced to take refuge in RÃo Cuarto after roads were closed. The snow followed a bitter cold snap in late May that saw subfreezing temperatures, the coldest in 40 years in Buenos Aires. That cold wave contributed to an energy crisis and 23 deaths from exposure. |
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An interesting observation by the Guyanese President:
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| The Kyoto Protocol is limited in that sense, and it's short-sighted in that it encourages bad behaviour basically among countries; if you cut down trees and you plant them back you get money, if you preserve them, you don't get anything. |
https://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=07...&show_article=1
I still think the carbon credit system reinforces a system where larger countries fleece smaller countries for their credits and help keep smaller countries from emerging. I am impressed with what the Guyana government is doing here though. This takes some forethought!
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| Vincenzo said: I still think the carbon credit system reinforces a system where larger countries fleece smaller countries for their credits and help keep smaller countries from emerging. I am impressed with what the Guyana government is doing here though. |
I am not quite sure what you mean by this point Vincenzo? The Clean Development Mechanism system is basically a way for developed countries to influence the behaviour of developing countries that are not bound by the Kyoto Protocol. It was largely championed by the US to allow flexibility in the way it can meet its emission targets. For example, the UK might build power plants that are far more efficient and less polluting in China, a country that doesn't have a Kyoto target. This would then mean the UK receives credits and it is able to pollute more.
My criticism of this system is that it allows rich countries to avoid their responsibility at a cut-price cost as it is much cheaper to cut emissions in developing countries than industrialised ones.
Furthermore, there are claims that some emissions reduction projects under CDM are false or exaggerated. There are claims that far more money in terms of investment is being used than would have been if funded by development agencies.
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| Wikipedia notes: In early 2007 an issue that had by then already been known for a while[4] erupted in major media [5][6]. A study published in Nature [7] found that the main type of CDM projects paid as much as 50 times more for the emission reductions than the costs alone would warrant, with the excessive profits ending up with the factories and the carbon traders. The particular kind of CDM projects in question regard refrigerant-producing factories in non-Annex-1 countries (particularly China) that generate the powerful greenhouse gas HFC 23 as a by-product. By destroying the HFCs, the factories can earn CER credits. Destroying the HFCs requires a simple and relatively cheap piece of equipment called a scrubber; the author argues it would cost only €100 million to pay producers to capture and destroy HFC 23 compared with €4.6 billion in CDM credits. |
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I am reading a wonderful piece of literature by Orson Scott Card on this subject.
https://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-03-04-1.html
Now, I know that certain people will be offended by it, but I dare them to actually refute it - in detail.
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| What is really being said here is, "We believe in the IPCC and anybody else who supports Global Warming. We believe it so much that we refuse to listen to anybody who says otherwise." The only difference between this and Jim and Tammy Baker on the old PTL Club is that nobody says "Jesus." It's all faith, no science. |
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| All this can be checked. I didn't even change the names. "Mann" is Michael Mann; his co-writers on that hockey stick report are Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes. "Steve" is Stephen McIntyre, and the writer of the report I'm working from is Ross McKitrick, who is a climate scientist. Their report is a chapter in Shattered Consensus: The True State of Global Warming, edited by Patrick J. Michaels. Do you know how True Believer scientists respond to this? Just like the ignorant New Yorker writer. There's no attempt to answer any specific charge. They simply dismiss any disagreement by saying, "All the smart scientists agree that global warming is happening; anybody who denies it is just a crank, and you should ignore them." |
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| If you pay close attention, you'll find that Global Warming alarmists are not actually saying "Global Warming" lately. No, nowadays it's "Climate Change." Do you know why? Because for the past three years, global temperatures have been falling. Oops. The thing is, we've had twenty years since the Alarmists first raised the banner of Global Warming. They told us that "If This Goes On" by 2010 or 2020, sea levels will be rising so high that coastal cities will be flooded, famines will cover the earth, and ... Oh, you know the list. They're still making the same predictions -- they just move the dates farther back. |
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| Here's the raw truth: All the computer models are wrong. They have not only failed to predict the future, they can't even predict that past. That is, when you run their software with the data from, say, the 1970s or 1980s, and project what should happen in the 1990s or 2000s, they project results that have absolutely nothing to do with the known climate data for those decades. In other words, the models don't work. The only way to make them "work" is to take the known results and then fiddle with the software until it finally produces them. That's not how honest science is done. Why are so many scientists so wrong? First of all, there aren't all that many scientists. You hear about how "everybody" agrees about global warming. But who is "everybody"? I had somebody at a conference get very angry with me for even raising a question. "I have a friend who's a climate scientist and he says that the Everglades are definitely drying up!" But that's not the question, I said. Global warming isn't even the question. The question is, what is causing global warming or cooling or climate change? Is it human Carbon Dioxide emissions or something else? Your friend is studying aquifers in one specific area. In what way is he qualified to speak about global climate? The only answer I got was the answer you always get when you challenge the roots of someone's religion -- fury, dismay, and a refusal to talk about it any more. |
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| Global Warming "Solutions" We can't stop global warming or cooling. We simply don't have the power to do it. We can't heat up or cool down the sun; we can't jiggle the Earth in its orbit or change its position. We'd be idiots to try, even if such unimaginable powers came within our reach. So we'll continue, as long as the human race persists, to have ice ages and warm periods, with relatively minor oscillations (like the Little Ice Age and our current warm period) in between. In fact, what we have right now, while we are not yet as warm as the peak of the Medieval Warming (a fact that Mann and others have tried to deny or obscure), is a superb climate that is making life better for people all over the world. It's the cold periods that cause famines and population drops, and promote plagues and floods. We should be grateful. |
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| They are not trying to stop global warming. They are trying to punish the Western democracies for being richer than the rest of the world. |
This discussion, and the total religious acceptance of bad science by supposed skeptics is one of the main reasons I am not here much anymore. Orson Scott Card shows exactly why this religion is so dangerous.
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MANKIND BLAMED FOR GLOBAL WARMING
A state blue ribbon task force on climate change stated emphatically Monday that humans are to blame for global warming and offered a slate of recommendations on ways Utah can fight the changes.
Ref. https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,...04965,00.html
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Surely man is partly to blame. But since Mars is heating up as well, I find it more likely that regardless of man Earth would be heating up as well. I mean, think about it, who on Mars is heating up THAT planet?
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling! When I was a kid in grammar school the big scare was global cooling. About every 25 years the "Chicken Littles" of the world decide we are either going to burn, or freeze, to death. Two Saturdays ago I got into an argument with a college professor about global warming. He was adamant that it is happening, because he inserted some greenhouse gas in a container and shined a light on it which made the temperature rise. Last Saturday I asked if he knew what cooled the earth. He said, "Yes. Water." I asked if there was any water involved in his experiment. I had caught him off guard and unprepared. He stammered and stuttered and beat it.
I've said this before. I'll say it again. One volcano puts more greenhouse gasses and other garbage into the air than mankind has since time began, yet the earth recovers and we're still here. If you doubt that volcano eruptions cool the earth, Google "Year Without Summer." Several volcanos erupted between the years 1812 and 1816. 1816 was the worst with frost in the summer killing crops and people freezing and starving to death around the world.
Global cooling is a historic fact. Global warming is an idea brought on and "proven" by computer weather models, environmemtal extremist, and politicians that want more government control, Oh, and your money. With all their computers they still can't accurately predict the path of a hurricane, or the weather next week. And if you don't like the weather model forecast, stick around. In 25 years they will be telling you you're going to freeze to death.
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| Because for the past three years, global temperatures have been falling. |
Absolute rubbish. Prove it.
Mousetrails, we have discussed this flawed volcano theory before. Either prove scientificaly it holds any weight or please come up with something else. I respect your eyewitness to a degree, even as far back as 1816. What I would like is for you to show us this with references instead of heresay. Maybe you have some photos from the 19th century to share with us.
Global warming and/or climate change is happening, there is no debate about this. What is in debate is the causes. Nighthawk, yet again you have said computer models are wrong without explaining how or why they are wrong. Please elaborate so we can learn about this information you have discovered.
The sky may well be falling, but some of these theories hit the ground and died a long time ago.
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