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the following FTS (Facts That Sux) regarding the EU, have been brought to yuo courtesy of the Car Key Boi

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"treaties and agreements are worth approximately jack zilch, the real power lies in economic and military force"

an example of that FTS was the debacle with the UN and the decision to invade Iraq. That debacle also showed that we (the USA) ownz the UN, coz without our bucks and troops, the UN is an non-entity and everyone knows it (the UN is also a misnomer, there is nothing "United" about the UN, every country is looking out for #1)

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the economies of Germany, France, Bellgim and Holland are SCREWED, and i mean really screwed. They have dug a huge hole for themselves and when the pension doggy poop hits the fan in the next few years from their ridiculous social systems, there's a chance they might have to consider disentangling themselves from the Eurotard dream (or should that be nightmare?) and take the pain of re-establishing their economies. And things ain't gonna get better for them when their borders are flooded with immigrants from the poorer eastern eurotard countries that have recently signed up

i'm telling ya, it's gonna be so so bad in the next ten years or so, that the concept of just eating will seem like a luxury to the average Eurotard. Furthermore, this Franco-German axis that is so prevalant at the moment, both of whom have a natural tendency to consider Europe as their instrument of power, is gonna weaken when Chirac stands down and Schroeder loses the next election, which he undoubtedly will

anyways, when it comes to economic power, the sum total of Germany, France, Bellgim, Holland, Spain, blah, amounts to jack. So how can a United States of Eurotard become a reality if all the main playas have screwed economies? this is where the UK comes into the game. Nighthawk is correct in that yuor average Brittard in the street hates the very idea of a single Euro currency and it's natural progression towards a Federal Eurotard Superstate. But whether the Brits like it or not, their leaders will eventually sign up to the Euro, with or without their peoples' consent, coz their leaders realize what's at stake. The control of Europe

out of all the member states that have large economies (Germany, UK, France) the UK has the strongest economy by far. They also have the strongest military force by far, and just like the USA in relation to the UN, the UK will OWNZ the USE. This is a certainty because...... "treaties and agreements are worth approximately jack zilch, the real power lies in economic and military force"

now, it's no secret that regardless of which particular parties are in power (repub or dem in US, labor or conservative in UK) the UK will ALWAYS follow the lead of the US. We OWNZ the Brits, and everyone knows it

so LDS_forever, yuo don't have to worry about the Imperialistic Eurotards for a good while yet, it's gonna be decades before their economies are in any kind of shape to threaten world domination. And besides, Uncle Sam's little sidekick the UK will lay the smack down on those Frenchies and Germans for us, as and when required :-->

- Car Key Boi,
American Tard in London, helping to build the "special relationship" between US and UK / Do Never Test

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As someone who does live in Britain I am very deeply concerned about the EU. Previous posters are right about most British people being against the EU, but the political class over here have a lot of influence.

All the three major political parties are Pro-European (I'm not saying all their grass root members are, but those who make the decisions at national level). The only other mainstream party seeking complete withdrawl from the EU is UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party) but the media gives them little or no airtime as the media is also pro-European.

As someone who has studied political theory, I must say that the EU is a perfect example of a government that has not a single principle of liberty in its foundation. And I mean that.

The European system grew out of the Roman Law, based on the precept that rights are granted by governments (and so can be taken away by the same), the British/American system is entirely opposite (being based on Anglo-Saxon Common Law) and provides for freedom in such just concepts as:

Rights predate government (they are natural rights), Trial by Jury, Presumption of Innocence, burden of proof on the prosecution, habeas corpus, reasonable cause, property rights, and many others we may all take for granted.

All these are lost in the EU. Continental Europe has no genuine rial by jury in a single one of its countries.

I've been purposefully gathering information on Britain and the EU for about a year now. If anyone wants access to the information (complete with resources) to get up to speed with the topic then just PM me and I'll send you the link.

The EU is a collectivist organization and has its origins in Nazism, Communism and certain dubious (but rich) organizations and individuals in the West.

This is not opinion, the evidence and facts are very clear.

Dubhdara.

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My dad (this is about 20 years ago) once read a book called, 'The Third Wave' and in it he said the author claimed that Germany would re-unite and that a union would be formed in Europe that would lead to a horrific Third World War! Maybe this is where the EU comes in?

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Roger K. Young has a book out called "As A Thief in the Night", and in that book he has some very interesting points to make about Germany.

I have not read "The Third Wave". It is quite fascinating that people do not seem to recognise the philosophy of the evil they decry in the things they generally support or are indifferent to; repackaged it may be but a little effort would see through such guises.

The EU, it is my understanding, serves as a part of a trilateral commission (covering America, Europe and Asia) seeking world government through initial regionalization. It is interesting that the moves toward a centralised African Union are based upon the EU. What is happening in Africa right now is atrocious and is not even reported on the news.

Dubhdara.

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Well, here is what is happening in the EU now.
https://eu-serf.blogspot.com/2005/03/europe...st-warrant.html

What I didn't included was the story of an Austrian man who wrote a religious satire. It offended the Greek Orthodox church, so he is now facing a prison term.

I have never liked the idea of the EU. I think I am going to have to visit this blog more often to see what is going on there!
(BTW, the blog is titled The Road to Euro Serfdom. Maybe the author has some small bias in the discussion.)

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Being both French and American, I am lucky to have been brought up in two shockingly different worlds.
To me, the European Union is a brilliant idea. All it does is bring more peace and democracy between countries. It allows more freedom, real freedom, for the Europeans. After all, what differentiates a French from a German from an Italian or a Belge? of course, there are cultural differences. But they all derived from the same people, same groups of people. Our present civilisation is so strongly influenced by the Ancient Greeks, Romans, Christianity then Democracy. We all went through the same waves. Not the Orient, for instance.
And this is why I think it absurd to include Turkey. Yes, at one time, it played a big role in western Europe. But its values are drastically different than those of the countries in the European Union.
It is not because there is a Union that the individuality of the country is subsided. All it does is keep peace, help each other and advance together as a whole towards a better world and better economy.
Look at the US. They cannot stop to brag about our "freedom", our "freedom" and "freedom". We constantly indirectly declare our (almost racial) differences with others. I almost get the feeling some times that we are returning to the beginnings of the Third Reich in Germany. It's absurd and disgusting.

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AMB,

Have you studied the EU? Have you studied history enough to understand its lessons? Many things seem nice on the outside, "peace, freedom" and so forth, but not all that make such claims hold up under scrutiny.

Political force, even if it were well intended, does not bring peace. And I do not believe the EU has good intentions.

The following essay gives an account of the EU from just about every conceivable angle...
https://www.freedom-central.net/euandbritain.html

Here's the opening quotation:

"Show me a patriot and I will show you a true lover of humanity. Show me a man who says he loves all equally and I will show you a man who lacks discernment and loves none but himself." ~ Fletcher of Saltoun, Scot Patriot, 1653-1716.

and this from Herbert Hoover:

"We must realise the vitality of the great spiritual force which we call nationalism. The fuzzy-minded intellectuals have sought to brand nationalism as a sin against mankind. They seem to think that infamy is attached to the word 'nationalist'. But that force cannot be obscured by denunciation of it as greed or selfishness - as it sometimes is. The spirit of nationalism springs from the deepest of human emotions. It rises from the yearning of men to be free of foreign domination, to govern themselves. It springs from a thousand rills of race, of history, of sacrifice and pride in national achievement."

There is much wisdom in those. This theme is developed in the essay.

Edited: dubhdara on 28th Mar, 2005 - 11:00pm

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So, the EU economy appears to be really struggling. At least that is the news out of Brussels. So, what do you do about it?

https://eu-serf.blogspot.com/2005/04/rescui...ng-economy.html

This is a cutting, incise commentary on what Brussels is trying to do. And it is very intriguing.

It refers to, and links to, an article in the Financial Times:
https://news.ft.com/cms/s/f05c7e6c-a466-11d...000e2511c8.html

I don't know how long the FT article will be readily available.

Here is a quick summary. The United States and Japan have huge research and development capabilities. The EU doesn't. The EU can only see one real difference between the R&D capabilities of the EU and those of the two leading innovative countries. Money. The EU wants to invest 70 BILLION euros (about $90 billion) into R&D.

Maybe this could work. Who knows? After all, we all know how effective government funded research really is, don't we? Don't the most efficient, effective research programs ALWAYS get the funds they need? No?

It gets better.

That's right. There will be a government council set up to "promote excellence".

How does the US lead the world in innovation, research, and invention? It is actually almost all through private research. The vast majority of advances in pharmaceutical science comes about through the work of companies that are trying to be competitive - outperform their competitors.

Japan has a slightly different philosophy. While it is still essentially socialist in nature, the culture there allows and encourages the government to invest a lot of money into R&D, but by funnelling the money to the major corporations.

The EU plan will foster a bigger bureaucracy, with lots of "empire building" within it. Built on classic socialist ideals, it doesn't really foster a sense of accountability, so the research will be unlikely to really create innovation and invention.

Oh well. The whole world has high hopes for the EU, since it expects to lead the world in productivity and innovation by 2010. Just ask the EU. They will tell you about how they will do it. Too bad their record doesn't yet support their high hopes.