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Quasar I understand your view point, and actually agree with both the Democrats and Republicans being more or less the same now, but this Thread is specifically about LDS Members aligning themselves to the Democratic party considering the values of the Democratic party. The Threads better suited for your view:

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Sorry, just get carried away about seeing my country go to crap with evil people leading us.

No I don't think that dems are going to He! for being ignorant. God knows we have all been that way. And still are, but there is always payment.

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Quasar,

I am having a hard time following what you are trying to say. What does Allen Keys have to do with Obama? They are nothing alike. If Obama is getting support because he is black then would not Alan Keys get the same support on that virtue? Because he did not get the "black vote" then logic would assume that race is not the issue as to why Obama is where he is.

What war are you referring too? The only war I am familiar with is Iraq. I am not sure I am following you? It is possible that Obama can be a liar, but how can he be a racist? Racism is committed by a majority identified the perception of race who imposes their will and power onto a minority. In the U.S. that majority "race" with power is "white" I do not think that Obama is white last I checked. Perhaps you mean that he discriminates. Their is a difference between that and racist. racist discriminate, but you do not have to be a racist to discriminate.

What makes you think that we had a vote in the pre-existence. If the church is set up like the government of God, then we would not get to vote. The church is not democratic. It is a theocracy. When in the church have you ever voted for new policies or plans, to to build a temple of not. We sustain leaders, but we do not vote for them. Perhaps we just had the choice to sustain the God's plan, while others chose not to sustain it. Where in the scriptures does it say that Satan had a platform and we voted for it or against it? I think that is a false analogy.

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I posted this a long time ago. Considering recent events....Just call me informed I guess. This was before A media conflict with Russia. They are still thinking about Iran. Obama supports this. And Iraq to.

What?...What? Where are you getting your definitions from? The black Israelites? They want to kill all white people and rape all the white women. I am not making it up. They say it. According to them only white people can be racist. I take acception to that, because I am white. The muslims are fun to.

And no I don't like Neonazis either.

You might want to look at Obama's church.

Michael asked who would fight with him after he was put in charge. Him being the best general and the mightiest warrior of them all (besides Christ). Some made a choice to follow and fight. And other chose to be in the middle.

You might want to brush up on your doctrine my friend.

The kingdom of god goes by a higher law. You might want to look up the consecrated order. You can be a part of it or not.

Or perhaps we were all involved, or you played, or the others went with satan. Do you see God coming down right now and telling you what to do? No you don't. That is the free agency that he respects.

Are you mormon?

Obama is a liar and a racist. Unfortunately In Alan Keyes case; he didn't get enough white support, because of racism (I am ashamed to say). And he is a man of truth.

You are right Obama is nothing like Alan, Ron paul, or anyone else that is a person of morals or values.

He is a fool like McCain (removed)

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Informed by who? I am not sure where you get your information. I do not think that Obama supports the bombing of Iran. Afghanistan or Pakistan perhaps yes, but Iran? I think that is a Bush doctrine.

Where did I get this idea and definition? From 4 years of grad school on the topic. from a credited US university. It is a standard definition that is taught and accepted. You will find it even taught at BYU. And I do not think I had one Black Israelite teacher. Can Muslim's be racist? Yes if they are the majority in power and control all the power structures within that society.

You can take all the exception you want with this, but if you are going to talk any seriousness about the subject then you need to learn the accepted definitions of power and its relation to race. You may reject the idea that America is racist, but you cannot reject the standard definition of racism in the field. Besides they are not saying that only white people can be racists. Only those who control the structural power of society can be racist. Thus in the you.S. that can only be whites. In Arabia it would only be Muslims. Any group who holds power and it is identified and distinguished by race then is racist. It is that simple.

I feel that my doctrine is fine. Like I said just because you had a choice between Satan and Christ does not mean you had a vote. I do not think that we had a vote to choose who to follow. Do you think that if Satan got the most votes that we would have followed his plan? I hardly think so. We had a choice to accept Christ or accept Satan. There was not vote for majority rule on who would win. God did not put it to a vote. We just got to choose who we personally would follow. I do not think God was concerned with recounts or hanging chads.

You are right, but what does this higher law have to do with democracy? What does the united order have to do with democracy? Perhaps you might want to look it up.

Again as mentioned above, why do you assume that all choice means democracy? This is a logical fallacy.

Yes and quite a happy one at that. Why does this surprise you?

Again Obams cannot be racist. If you are going to argue this please know what racism is. You can argue that Obama discriminates or hates white people, but he cannot be racist by definition. You could be right in that Alan Keys did not get votes due to racism. That is a logical argument, and you may be right. Also I do think Obama is a moral man. I think Alan Keys and Ron paul seem to be as well. Morality is much bigger then taking the conservative politicized view of morality I.e sex, gays and abortion. What about issues of health care, enron scandals, war, housing crisis, taking care of the poor, civil rights & etc. these are also moral issues.

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Comments: Someone mentioned that they would like to hear the perspective of an LDS Democrat. Well, you've found one. And I would like to mention that Pres. Faust was also a Democrat and widely respected. I can't believe that he supported anything other than the teachings of the Gospel, and neither do I. My comments following are not meant to be divisive in any way, only to reflect my own views in a respectful setting.
I feel that one important thing to remember is that this nation was founded by good men with differing views. God blessed them to find a way to create a country of freedom and democracy so that the Gospel could be restored here. One of the ways that that freedom is protected is through a two-party system. Checks and Balances within our government are a great blessing to us. While each party has its "pet projects", it is important to remember that the major theme is that of freedom. God would have us be free to choose, and in order to maintain that freedom of choice we should allow for debate and dialogue. One Party cannot alone debate a subject and protect the will of such a diverse people.
No Political party has the power to take away my Free Agency, but I have the power to pro actively create change within the party regarding issues with which I disagree. I also have the power of my vote. Only I can define myself. If I allow any political party to define who I am and how I'll vote, than, in my view, I have rejected the Doctrine of Salvation by surrendering my right to choose.

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I think a distinction should be made here (if it hasn't already in the first 15 pages of this thread) between party and agenda.

For merely the purpose of voting, one may register as a democrat or republican, or, in my case, an independent. The challenge we all face is not to judge a person on that basis alone. The much bigger issue is whether or not the person subscribes to the party's agenda.

The big test is always how closely aligned a party's agenda is to the truths of the Restored Gospel.

That said, were the question re-phrased to question whether or not a member of the Church can be part of the liberal movement and still claim to be a "good" Mormon, that line gets a little fuzzier. Consider Ezra Taft Benson's comments at the commencement exercises of the you of you, June 9, 1953:

(Be Not Deceived, in So Shall Ye Reap by Ezra Taft Benson)

Side note to consider in light of current economic circumstances (also from that same address by Elder Benson:

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Democrats push abortion a lot not so? Give the women the freedom to kill their baby if they want. I cannot support that, no matter how much the other good ideas they have are.