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Blah blah blah, yes he does and did. But he didnt because in his book he stated that he would support Islam if it got down to it. He confuses me.

That is actually common knowledge or did you read your prophets book (obama)? I did. Did you want me to send it to you?

I trust everything that comes out of universities? You wasted 4 years at your "credited university". You can go to a credited University online.

You need to study "racism" more. I think you are the one that is mistaken. Seriously so.

Yah, we actually did vote. You see the ones that voted for Satan are now Demons and the ones that voted for christ are here in temporal form now. It was a choice. You might need to brush up on your doctrine, because God doesn't run a socialist Government like your God Obama does.

Free Agency! The right for man to rule himself. Good or bad.

Obama can be racist and is racist. I really think you should get out there and live a little. There is the education called life and I think you are lacking in this area.

Tell me what school you went to so that I wont go there and I can encourage others around me not to become "educated" there.

I am also curious as to what you do for a living? I am open with myself and I show my face. What do you do that is of worth? You support a future dictator that is not even american born and socialistic. Everything about Obama stinks of what our founding Fathers fought against.

Perhaps you should put more study in the constitution of our once great Nation and what got us there. You are nothing but a socialist. The free man's enemy.

Edited: Quasar on 26th Oct, 2008 - 4:47am

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Why are you so angry? Your posts seem to me to be very angry. Perhaps you need to be a little more less open, because your openness does not flatter you. Who judges what I do for a living has worth? I really do not know how bringing up what I do for a living affects this thread? I am not sure if that is appropriate without getting off topic.

You still do not get it or you are not comprehending. I do not know how I can make it any plainer.

Please cite this. I am not sure I read that in his book. And I would bet you have not read it yourself. This is what is called here say, and does not hold up well in a court or a discussion. Perhaps you should get a little more educated on the issues before you engage in a authoritative manner.

I am not sure what you are getting at here and how this leads to a discussion. I sounds like you are upset with me and are now attaching me personally. How did you get from discussing the issues to personal attacks?
As far as racism is concern. As I stated before, if you are going to talk authoritatively on the subject you need to get educated with the language and definitions. If I am mistaken you need to show me where I have mistaken. That is a generalized assumption that holds no water. You have yet to produce a counter definition of racism or a competent understanding of power and how it is used. How can we continue with this discussion if you are going to make such assumptions? You do not even tell me if it is just your opinion or expereince?
Wasting 4 years at a University? Perhaps, (sometimes I felt that way) But I have spent much more time then 4 years with grad. school. I am not sure what you mean by online university? I am aware of online universities but not sure what you are getting at.

Again generalizations you still have not told me what a racist is. If you are going to talk about racism you have to use the definitions as defined by society. I still think you do not know what racism is and are confusing it with the act of discrimination.

Again what does my education have to do with this? Go anywhere and you will get the same definition of racism. It is the accepted definition so don't be mad or angry over it, because this challenges your paradigm. I think any of your well informed conservative friends would tell you that very same definition.
Please don't be scandalized by all of this. I still have hope you can come away from the darkside and join us over here.

So please if you want to continue this discussion please stick to the issue, because I do not want to talk about myself or my education. Although I admire your passion, I want to here your experiences and opinions and how they relate to LDS democrats.

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Rather off topic, but... Isiah53 I disagree with your limited definition of Racism. If we are looking at a strictly dictionary definition, then I believe Quasar is correct that a minority can be considered racist (not that I am accusing Obama of such racism) QUOTE 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Some sociologists have stated that racism can only be perpetrated by the majority against the Minority (I have read much of the literature when I went to college) but this, in my opinion, is not the definition that most in our society accept. I believe that we must come to a time in history where all are held to the same standards of decency, and any racial discrimination whether it be from white racist or a black racist is equally troubling. One can, regardless of station in a society discriminate based on race and one can believe that his or her race is superior to others. This is not a uniquely white or black problem. To say that a minority cannot be racist just excuses those that hold racist views on one side or another. Would you not concede that a black panther who believes that all white people are "krackers" and that black people are superior to whites, just because of skin colour, is still racist. A correct definition of racism must include all who believe their race is superior to others or if they believe that others should be discriminated against because of skin colour. Depending on which definition one accepts, it is legitimate to believe that someone in a minority can infact be a racist. I do not believe Obama is necessarily a Racist, but he is hardly in the under-privileged class that is being oppressed by the majority.

I believe the only way the Church could be considered a Democracy is that the membership of the church can choose to follow the counsel as given and support the doctrines of the church and those in leadership or to ignore them and follow their own path. This, in an odd way, is a form of democracy.

Some sociologists have stated that racism can only be perpetrated by the majority against the Minority (I have read much of the literature when I went to college) but this, in my opinion, is not the definition that most in our society accept. I believe that we must come to a time in history where all are held to the same standards of decency, and any racial discrimination whether it be from white racist or a black racist is equally troubling.

One can, regardless of station in a society discriminate based on race and one can believe that his or her race is superior to others. This is not a uniquely white or black problem. To say that a minority cannot be racist just excuses those that hold racist views on one side or another. Would you not concede that a black panther who believes that all white people are "krackers" and that black people are superior to whites, just because of skin colour, is still racist. A correct definition of racism must include all who believe their race is superior to others or if they believe that others should be discriminated against because of skin colour.

Depending on which definition one accepts, it is legitimate to believe that someone in a minority can infact be a racist.

I do not believe Obama is necessarily a Racist, but he is hardly in the under-privileged class that is being oppressed by the majority.

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I am a little beyond angry. It is much much worse than anger. I am watching my country and my brothers and sisters being lead into a pit of slavery and dictatorship by a socialist government that you support. Something that is so unimagineabley un-american. The anger hits at my very spine. The whole thing makes me vomit.

Are you freaking kidding me?

Title: Dreams of my Father

"The person that mad e me proudest of all was my half brother, roy. He converted to Islam."

"I find solice in nursing A pervasive sence of grievence and animosity against my mother's race" (That is white people)

The Audacity of truth:

I will stand with muslims should the political winds of war shift in an ugly direction.

Do you want more?... You havent read any of it. You don't even know what you are voting for. You know nothing of the canidate you support so much. That is so typical.

Did you want the books. I will send them to you. I even have them highlighted. There is much more than this. (know thy enemy)

Wow, we are not even on the same level. The only thing you have gotten me on is going off topic. Technicalities are useful if that is all you got. , or do I need to explain that to you to.

I am off topic. shhh

Edited: Quasar on 28th Oct, 2008 - 5:50am

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Again I do not think that you understood what you read. I read the same thing and got something totally different then you are getting out of this. It is interesting that you are pulling out such ideas when that is not what he was getting at. Its interesting how ones filters make our reality.

[QUOTE]I am a little beyond angry. It is much much worse than anger. I am watching my country and my brothers and sisters being lead into a pit of slavery and dictatorship by a socialist government that you support. Something that is so unimagineabley un-american. The anger hits at my very spine. The whole thing makes me vomit.[QUOTE]

I am sorry to hear that. You seem so scandalized by all of this. be careful that this does not consume you and become you and your identity. Life is to rich and you have a lot of life to still live. One of my good friends Cleon Skousen always told me that, and he held a lot of your ideas, yet he never was as angry as you describe to be.
We may differ in a lot of ways but please don't become scandalized because our perceptions and realities are never as correct as we see them especially in politics. I think that we would be very surprised as to how the founding fathers really thought and behaved. My American expereince seems to be very different from yours. That is the what is great about America. In you efforts to "preserve" your values and perceptions please be careful not to destroy mine.

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This has nothing to do with republican or democrat. We have a socialist dictator that is coming into power in the U.S that is going to completly destroy what is left of the constitution and what our founding fathers built. Bush did a lot of damage with the patriot act.

He has made implications about takeing guns away and destroying more of our freedoms and I guess we should just role with the punches. What is life without freedom. What riches can we enjoy if all of our freedoms are taken away. This is my identity and I will be happy when this country is free. Regardless if I live to see it or not. That is American! They call them real Patriots. I would rather die free then live a slave.

Has anyone noticed that our leaders keep getting worse and worse? Who comes after Obama? Is it the devil himself?

We keep losing more and more freedoms with every crisis. Your real buddy Biden has already stated that there will be a crisis in the first 6 months of his office that will cause him to make some tough decisions. Guess what that means? More freedoms lost. And it isnt even Obama so much. He is the bankers puppet. I think he will try to stray from with his own screwy agenda, but he is still just a puppet.

You will see. You don't see it now but you will see.

There is a cycle and here it is: Revolt-freedom-apathy-enslavement-revolt and so on.

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Thanks to all you dems that helped make the killing of unborn babies a reality, I hope you feel proud of yourself.

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Mckay,


abortion have consistently been on the decline since the late 70's no matter if a democrat or republican have been in office. If fact abortions are lower now then since Rove vs Wade. In fact the biggest drop in abortions came during the Clinton administration. Thus history tells us that no matter who is in office abortions seem to be on the decline in the U.S. So to think that a democrat will reverse this trend is a political ploy and misconception to fool you.