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I do not see how that helps anything. If it is on the decline why make it law to hold everyone guiltless of it. Maybe if the animals started having abortions everyone would be concerned, maybe they may even make laws to stop the animals from killing their own, but because its human it is quite alright. Like I said, Mormon Dems I hope you're happy.

Edited: McKay on 15th Nov, 2008 - 1:43am

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I do not think anyone should be looked down on for their political beliefs. We must make a conscious decision after prayer and study. I believe Heavenly Father can tell some members to vote for both sides.

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McKay,

Yes, I am a mormon democrat and I am quite happy. I do not agree with abortion, but I do not think that legislation making it illegal solves anything. Prohibition didn't make things better and it was later overturned. In my opinion, if you want to stop abortion you spend the time, money, and effort into educating women about versus trying to pass a law.

I will also acknowledge that I voted for Obama and I do not regret it. This country was built on a solid foundation and one man alone cannot bring it down. If it crashes it will be a result of the collective individuals who are in office right now---you know, the other guys and girls we voted for in this election.

I believe that we need more open democrats in the church. I can't help but wonder with people celebrating McCain and prop 8 if I am alone on the pew at church. I don't think so--but I wish more of us would speak up.

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I was reading about the people President Obama will bring in office and they are all Clinton's people. I remember when that whole issue with Clinton and Lawinski broke out Pres. Hinckley was on Lary King Live and he did not like it at all and was basically saying that Clinton should resign. Now in a round about way he is back in office. It almost seems like a Gaddianton kind of operation to get back in power. By the way I do not know that I'm either Democrat or Republican.

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There is so much truth in that statement but I doubt many would get the full understanding of it. It also shows why we cannot judge a person for being democrat cause maybe they were told to be that from above.

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I do not agree with murder, but I do not think that legislation making it illegal solves anything. Prohibition didn't make things better and it could someday be overturned. In my opinion, if you want to stop murder you spend the time, money and effort into educating men about versus [sic] trying to pass a law.

That is how this argument sounds to me. Justifying inaction in fighting a practice that is abhorrent (the killing of innocence) is a silly proposition and a bordering on wickedness, in my opinion.

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dbackers,


You are entitled to your own opinion and I can see where you are coming from--but it still isn't quite the same thing in my opinion. The church officially hasn't made a statement on when life begins. As it is, if a child is stillborn they are not considered a sealed member of the family and won't be eligible to be sealed to parents who are sealed later on. In genealogical research we have discussed that in the past even children who died seconds after birth are ineligible to be sealed to their parents and their records often show them stillborn--even if they drew a breath.

And while it is under rare circumstances, the church itself is a bit lenient on the issue in cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is on the line

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I do not understand how "Clinton's people" have anything to do with the Lawinski issue? did his people make Clinton have an affair? That seems to be an apples to oranges comparison to me. I also do not recall that Pres. Hinckley basically said for him to resign either. I think he said we should pray for our leaders.

dbackers this is dead on. Look at the statistics in Europe. It is legal yet they have a very very low abortion rate, because of education and social services to provide care after the child is born. Look at the abortion rate in the U.S. it is lower now then it was before Row vs. Wade. It is shrinking without a law made. Remember what Joseph Smith said: Teach correct principals and let the people govern themselves.

Rather off topic, but... This is a little off topic but I am interested in hearing what others have to say. In the LDS religion is abortion considered murder or just taking away an opportunity to provide a body. Here is why I ask. No LDS publication calls it murder, but rather taking away an opportunity to provide a body for a spirit. Also on my mission, I did baptismal interviews for some investigators who had abortions, and the baptism was always Ok'ed, and it was treated much different then murder. I also did a baptism interview where murder was an issue with the convert and it had to go up to the twelve to get the approval or not for the baptism. So there seemed to be a difference between the two in church policy.