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Miriavas what a wonderful post sister! I feel exactly the same way specially about taking care of the poor and those who needs us. I think as members of the Church we tend to forget about this important responsibility you know what am I saying? It was Christ who has given us the example to follow!

I'm sorry about the hardships you're going through, a lot of us are in similar circumstances and yes I rather lean towards a party that believes in helping those who need it than a party who believes we should ignore them.

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Bcspace (from another thread):

I respectfully disagree with this. Elder Faust, second counselor in the First Presidency of Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley was an active participant in the Democrat party. He served in the House of Representatives as a Democrat for a Utah district and also served as chairperson of the Utah State Democratic Party and even helped manage a campaign for a senator.

He said:

President Hinckley was also asked if you can be a good Mormon and a Democrat and he said:

Are President Faust and Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley against the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

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There was once a time when a conservative good be a Democrat, but no longer. I'd say that condition occured in Faust's lifetime but if he started out as a Democrat, it's not too difficult to forgive him for wanting to keep the party on the straight and narrow which was rare, even in his younger days.

Nondoctrinal work. I generally agree, but it's not possible now if a Democrat is running either locally or nationally. To be a Democrat now is to run afoul of Romans 1:32 whcih condemns those who support evil even though they themselves might not be directly engaged in it.

If published by the Church, the doctrine would be he "thinks so" and "I don't know". Also "good people" but nothing on good positions on the issues.

If you ever had the chance to meet with GAs from time to time, you'd know that the concern is in alienating potential converts. You'd also know that the hope is that such who are Democrats will be converted to the true doctrine. It's a very fine line they walk with danger to the Church either way they go.

We can go down the list position by position and see that Democrats are in complete opposition to the LDS Church when doctrine is applied. No, it is not possible for a good Democrat to be a good Mormon by any measure.

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Okay, you seem to differentiate the Democrat party then (Elder Faust time) from the present time. You also challenged the wording of President Hinckley with regards whether or not it is possible to be a good democrat and a Mormon.

In 2006 (just 5 years ago) the Church released the following letter:

Based on the quotes provided before and this official letter, I would say yes the Church believes it IS possible to be a good Democrat and a member of the Church and is even compatible with Principles of the gospel according to this official letter.

It's now your turn to prove (with sources, not just merely your perception) that the Church presently doesn't believe that it's possible to be a good Democrat and a good Mormon.

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There is a bunch of famous Mormon democrats and I can almost bet some of them are even leaders therefore I don't think there is basis for the statement that you can't be a Democrat and a good LDS member.

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I am aware of it. But I think it's telling that no positions of the Democratic party that are ostensibly good are listed. The context is merely worthiness to be a member of the Church and frankly being a member of the Church, even a temple recommend holder, while it should be, is actually not an indication of right, or righteousness.

I've provided good sources on the topic of Socialism and the welfare state in the Romney Huntsman thread in which some have expressed disagreement with but no one has taken on. I think the sources were too devestating actually.

Assuming this is mostly LDS company, do I really need to provide sources that supporting gay marriage is in opposition to the doctrines of the Church? Feminism? Opposition to capital punishment? Even opposition to the Iraq War(Hinkley's church published War and Peace) and Free Speech (A talk by Paul H Dunn).

I find it telling again that leftwingers in support of the Democratic party seem to absolutely loathe to tell us what is good about their position. I think they know they are wrong and are in that class of people trying to change the Church.

How can someone be a good LDS member if they are in opposition to fundamental doctrines of salvation and morality? One might be in good standing but one is not necesarily "good" as in believing and doing.

Edited: bcspace on 15th Jul, 2011 - 1:37am

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Bsspace is right. How can someone consider themselves to be a member in good standing and yet support something like abortion or feminism? It's clearly wrong and I think those members who lean towards this type of thinking should repent. I know good LDS democrats who're trying hard in making some changes within the party. I'm glad for them.

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BC:

Actually no. The sources you provided are from a different era and the rest of your views are just your well-intentioned opinion. I provided actual Church sources to debunk your claims that you cannot be a good democrat and Mormon yet it seems like you just want me to take your word for it? Sorry, I'm expecting some good sources stating such. I did in fact provided at least quotes that stated that you can indeed be a good democrat and LDS member.

ChicaSud:

Repent? Are you serious? No political party is perfect, we all work towards a better party, nothing wrong with that and there is no need to repent.