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Is it possible to vote for the Democrats and say you support LDS Standards? Should every member be a Republican? Can you be a good Mormon and a Democrat? Related Information to LDS Democrat - Mormon Democrat
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QUOTE The statement is VERY CLEAR.
Yes. I agree with the statement. But how does that change anything I've said? I have made the comparison of Democrats to doctrine and I see (and you see) that they are in complete opposition to doctrine.
If one is in opposition to significant doctrine is one a good Mormon? No, one is not. If a group advocates that which is in opposition to LDS doctrine, should an LDS person support that? No, of course not.
May I remind you of the temple recommmend question:
QUOTE Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Can a Democrat answer this question in the negative? No he or she cannot. Fortunately for them, the Church, as we have both pointed out, does not have a political requirement. But it is plain that such a one cannot answer to God in good conscience.
You seem to be under the illusion that someone who is in good standing with the Church and/or has a temple recommend is automatically in good standing with God.
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Post Date: 15th Jul, 2011 - 8:54pm / Post ID: #
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In that respect a republican would also have to reply in the negative. Christ was very clear on the qualifications to the kingdom and what he wants us to do and taking food from hungry kids does not fit at all, in fact it is in every way what he has preached against. Also the love of wealth is a very bad thing by doctrinal standards. . You don't have to support ALL aspect of a party you belong to. However, as I haven't join either it's not a problem for me.
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QUOTE In that respect a republican would also have to reply in the negative.
A Republican can indeed answer the question in the negative without lying. A Democrat cannot. Socialism (violates LoC), gay marriage (violates Church stance as well as doctrine), etc.
QUOTE Christ was very clear on the qualifications to the kingdom and what he wants us to do and taking food from hungry kids does not fit at all, in fact it is in every way what he has preached against.
There is no conservative or even Republican policy that does this nor is it any conservative's philosophy.
QUOTE Also the love of wealth is a very bad thing by doctrinal standards.
Free market capitalisn is neutral. Such greed comes with the individual if it comes at all (usually through liberals). But creating wealth so people can have jobs and eat is not precluded by the Gospel as is stealing it via Socialism and the welfare state does.
QUOTE You don't have to support ALL aspect of a party you belong to. However, as I haven't join either it's not a problem for me.
The problem for Democrats now is that no one seems to be able to list anything they want to do that does not conflict with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No one seems to be able to list anything conservatives want to do that might be in conflict.
Post Date: 15th Jul, 2011 - 9:45pm / Post ID: #
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I can list a number that goes against the Gospel.
Wanting to reduce food stamps, SS , medicaid and medicare. ( and no taking that money and giving it to corporations will not make jobs for them. The corporations are given a free hand and will take the money to third world nations further destroying the country like they are doing now.)
Wanting to continue the war for so many years causing more innocent death and costing us obscene amounts of money.
Continuing 'trickle down" after it was obvious it only helped the upper 2 percent Taking from the poor to give to the rich.
Voting down education helps for the poor.
Constantly raising the debt, much much more than democrats.
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I could go on and on, but are you listening?
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QUOTE I can list a number that goes against the Gospel.
Wanting to reduce food stamps, SS , medicaid and medicare.
Wanting to reduce food stamps, SS , medicaid and medicare.
That doesn't take away something they already have and it doesn't speak to other possible solutions so no, none of these things is contrary to the Gospel and none of these things says that conservatives want to cause harm or starvation to children etc.
Try again. This time use some independent thought instead of someone else's talking points.
Edited: bcspace on 15th Jul, 2011 - 9:51pmPost Date: 15th Jul, 2011 - 9:57pm / Post ID: #
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But it does. Sure they don't own it, but they will starve without it. And Christ wants us to care for people, whether they own it or not. We should be feed more kids not less.
Did you read me story? Go a head and tell me my kids deserve to go hungry. Tell me, like the GOP believes, that if the sick and poor die off it's not your problem or concern that If I'm disabled it's because Christ wants me to suffer and die. Tell me you are not your brother's keeper. Tell me, even though I've worked hard all my life, and since I did and the Prophets commanded and stayed home with my kids so I don't get disability, that I deserve to suffer. My autistic son deserves to suffer. My husband who works too many hours for too little pay is a horrible person because Reagan said so. Show me the hate of your party and then tell me you are dedicating all you have to Christ. tell me you want to watch kids dying in the street and still feel worthy of the temple blessings.
I want to hear it from your mou....erm, fingers.
Edit; that was only one of my points, you haven't answered the rest. I want to heard about immigration when the church has released numerous statements bout it that are contrary to GOP party line.
second edit due to your last edit; why do you have to insult me and assume I didn't believe what I am saying or I can't type it for myself? I only had one quote, the rest was mine. Personal attacks show lack of reason on your part. Try again.
Third edit; good grief I am sorry. I let myself get pulled in, showing the extreme to balance the other side, when really I am much more of the mind that both can be LDS members in good standing. if I have enough room I'll quote an article from my alma mater USU's Statesman :
QUOTE Personally, I think some Republican policies better reflect church policy, while others are perhaps best represented by Democrats. In discussing such policies, I wish to avoid broad generalizations often used for both parties.
No, Democrats are not communists, and Republicans are not Levites walking on the other side of every beaten man they pass.
But, as a general rule, Republicans tend to be more focused on a laissez-faire type economy, while Democrats claim that the poor and disadvantaged ought to be given an equal opportunity. Some would argue that the Democratic ideal is closer to Christian doctrine. After all, it was class distinction that helped prove the eventual demise of the entire Book of Mormon civilization.
At the same time, the backlash to governmentally-aided programs as of late has resulted from reported waste in the welfare system. Some might say that because Mormon doctrine shuns idleness, it thus supports the Republican "hands-off" approach.
In regards to foreign policy, multiple battles throughout the Bible and Book and Mormon would indicate that war can be necessary under certain circumstances. Democrats could argue that church doctrine teaches that the military should only be used to fight defensively, but never offensively. But, Republicans could counter that a nation having been liberated would agree with the Mormon ideal that every human is entitled to such freedom.
And of course, one of the more publicized issues most recently is social policy, the two rallying points from the conservative right being gay marriage and abortion.
No, Democrats are not communists, and Republicans are not Levites walking on the other side of every beaten man they pass.
But, as a general rule, Republicans tend to be more focused on a laissez-faire type economy, while Democrats claim that the poor and disadvantaged ought to be given an equal opportunity. Some would argue that the Democratic ideal is closer to Christian doctrine. After all, it was class distinction that helped prove the eventual demise of the entire Book of Mormon civilization.
At the same time, the backlash to governmentally-aided programs as of late has resulted from reported waste in the welfare system. Some might say that because Mormon doctrine shuns idleness, it thus supports the Republican "hands-off" approach.
In regards to foreign policy, multiple battles throughout the Bible and Book and Mormon would indicate that war can be necessary under certain circumstances. Democrats could argue that church doctrine teaches that the military should only be used to fight defensively, but never offensively. But, Republicans could counter that a nation having been liberated would agree with the Mormon ideal that every human is entitled to such freedom.
And of course, one of the more publicized issues most recently is social policy, the two rallying points from the conservative right being gay marriage and abortion.
Edited: Miriavas on 15th Jul, 2011 - 10:18pm
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QUOTE But it does. Sure they don't own it, but they will starve without it.
They weren't starving (by and large) before they had it and this again erroneously assumes lack of another solution. One of those propose was the LoC to which I agree yet the LoC is diametrically opposed to your methodology.
I'll bet you're not even aware that the Food Stamp program is just a farm subsidy.
QUOTE And Christ wants us to care for people, whether they own it or not. We should be feed more kids not less.
Sure, but does Christ want us to decide for others what they shall do? No he does not.
QUOTE Did you read me story? Go a head and tell me my kids deserve to go hungry.
Your story does not change the fact that it's in opposition to the Gospel the steal wealth to pay for what you think is a good cause.
QUOTE Show me the hate of your party
I don't belong to any party but you've certainly shown no hate from any party except the Democratic Party which instead of creating wealth to share, they steal it from others.
QUOTE and then tell me you are dedicating all you have to Christ.
Is it my choice or not? If I don't chose to donate 100% of my income to the poor (which even the LoC doesn't ask), is it right to decide for me?
QUOTE tell me you want to watch kids dying in the street
Children die in the streets in the largest numbers when liberals and other socialists are in control. Witness China or the old Soviet Union or 1930's and 40's Germany. Pol Pot, etc.
QUOTE and still feel worthy of the temple blessings.
We've proven that to be a Democrat or any other kind of Socialist in the economic sense is contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. But do Democrats also support the sexualization of children by introducing them to pedophilia, homosexuality, and other s-xual experimentation? Of course they do. How? Do you support Planned Parenthood? It's far more than just an abortion warehouse and justification for teen sex (both also contrary to the Gospel in and of themselves.
QUOTE I let myself get pulled in, showing the extreme to balance the other side
Why do you tilt the balance against the Gospel of Christ? All my views are simply mainstream anyway. Most people want the government to live within it's means without stealing from others and without limiting rights and responsibilities. And most people are opposed to the immorals of the Democratic Party. We fought decades of a Cold War righteously against Socialism and now you want to bring it back.
Edited: bcspace on 15th Jul, 2011 - 11:00pmPost Date: 15th Jul, 2011 - 11:45pm / Post ID: #
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Bcspace, I think it's safe to say by your comments, you are unaware of how badly off many American truly are. I think you have a lot of pre-conceived ideas about the country and the church which are not true. And fly in the face of evidence and what the church has put forth. I suggest you read the last two conference addresses and see how many times our leaders have called for us to help those in need and to have compassion.
Voting is a democratic process that all participate in, it is not theft. It is taxes. Christ said to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. But the GOPs neglect that, too. It isn't theft it is building the country. To look at it as theft is to show the greed in your heart.
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LDS_Forever, I'm sorry our sons never got hooked up on email pen pals, I'm not sure I'm ready to let my son have an email all his own, He will have zoologists, museums, and paleontologist blocking his emails in a week.
LDS_Forever, I'm sorry our sons never got hooked up on email pen pals, I'm not sure I'm ready to let my son have an email all his own, He will have zoologists, museums, and paleontologist blocking his emails in a week.
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