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Poll: I Think The Idea Of Being A Good LDS Democrat Is...
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  Great! There are good policies in the Democratic party       44.19%
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  Good, we all have the freedom to choose, it is not a sin       20.93%
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  No Opinion - just leave the Members to do what they think is best       6.98%
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  Nonsense - how can you support a party against LDS principles       27.91%
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Is it possible to vote for the Democrats and say you support LDS Standards? Should every member be a Republican? Can you be a good Mormon and a Democrat?
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16th Jul, 2011 - 2:46am / Post ID: #

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Bcspace, I think it's safe to say by your comments, you are unaware of how badly off many American truly are.


Well, let's prove it. How many citizens of the USA do you think are poor? How much of all healthcare expenditures are the result of smoking, drinking, or some other lifestyle choice?

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Voting is a democratic process that all participate in, it is not theft. It is taxes.


Taxes are often theft when say COngress is bought and paid for and the president is not constitutionally eligble to serve having only recently shown a forged birth certificate (the first was admitted to be a forgery).

And also when:
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"...the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship."


And also:

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Yea, well did Mosiah say, who was our last king, when he was about to deliver up the kingdom, having no one to confer it upon, causing that this people should be governed by their own voices-yea, well did he say that if the time should come that the voice of this people should choose iniquity, that is, if the time should come that this people should fall into transgression, they would be ripe for destruction.

Alma 10:19

Besides the tax issue, by choosing the Democrats, one has chosen iniquity. Gay marriage, the sexualization of little children from Planned Parenthood in addition to killing the unborn as a method of birth control as well as Obama administration appointed pedophiles, etc. to be a Democrat is to be anti woman and anti children and we know what Jesus said about those who offend children. But Romans 1:32 suffices as well

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Christ said to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. But the GOPs neglect that, too.


I find it fascinating that nonMormon GOPs actually understand this instinctively as it relates to Alma 10:19. Jesus' statement, if you care to read the doctrine on it, actually has to do with upholding the law, something that Democrats consider to be of no value if by it they can't get their way.

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17th Jul, 2011 - 6:21pm / Post ID: #

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Bsspace, if you were a Bishop and you ask the following question to someone you knew is active in the Democrat party:

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Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?


Would you deny them a Temple recommend even though they tell you they don't believe their party is opposed to Church teachings?



17th Jul, 2011 - 10:34pm / Post ID: #

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Would you deny them a Temple recommend even though they tell you they don't believe their party is opposed to Church teachings?


I am in a position to ask those questions and I believe I already answered what I would do. However, members who support or advocate socialism and the welfare state, gay marriage, opposition to the death penalty, the homosexual lifestyle choice, pedophilia and other crimes against women and children such as abortion as a method of birth control, Planned Parenthood etc. are in opposition to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and are not good Mormons.

Democrats fall under this umbrella and every one of them is guilty of such support or advocacy whether they mean to or not under the Romans 1:32 prinicple.

Once again, notice how loathe momon Democrats and liberals are to list what it is about what their philosophy does that is not in conflict with the Gospel of Christ. It's because they know they are in direct opposition to the LDS Church.



18th Jul, 2011 - 7:07pm / Post ID: #

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Woah Bspace, it kind of freaks me out to know you're a Bishop and you may deny a temple recommend to someone based on your opinion on the democrat party but just to clarify...Do you speak specifically ask them each one of these points or you just make your mind based on the knowledge they support the party you know what am I saying?



18th Jul, 2011 - 7:30pm / Post ID: #

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Woah Bspace, it kind of freaks me out to know you're a Bishop and you may deny a temple recommend to someone based on your opinion on the democrat party


Well no, I didn't claim to be or do either. But if knew a member was involved in those things supported by Democrats, I would indeed probably not sign the recommend until after further query and/or a time of repentance. Fortunately, it hasn't come up yet.

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Do you speak specifically ask them each one of these points or you just make your mind based on the knowledge they support the party you know what am I saying?


I don't ask party affiliation or anything like that. I simply ask the questions. But if I already knew that they publicly supported the items listed et. Al. Or they confessed to it, I would question them more carefully on their testimony and beliefs.

But the TR question should make you question why you support an organization which meets the definition. A Democrat already knows they are in direct opposition to the Church. The Church however, is not specifically going after Democrats and other liberals at this time preferring instead to trust that the doctrine will eventually convince these people to change.

But the fact remains that a Democrat cannot be a good Mormon if by "good" one means beliefs/support of the doctrines. Again, it is an illusion to think that just because a member of the Church has got on the path (good standing, TR holder) he or she is moving in the right direction along the path.



18th Jul, 2011 - 7:32pm / Post ID: #

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As I said before, I don't have party affiliation and the reason for it is because of some of those same issues shared in this thread. It happens exactly the same thing with the Republican party so I CANNOT say I support the Democrat Party but I value some of their thinking with regards to welfare specifically. I definetely lean towards the Democrat party more than the Republican.



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18th Jul, 2011 - 7:39pm / Post ID: #

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I am not registered with any party either. But I have noticed that the modus operandi of Republican and conservative policy does not conflict with the Gospel in anyway. As I have noted by listing some of the issues, the Democrats are in opposition to the Gospel in every way.

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I definetely lean towards the Democrat party more than the Republican.


Then at the very least you fall under the condemnation of Romans 1:32. Perhaps on the surface you don't actually agree with most of what the Democrats stand for, but by supporting their party or candidates by vote, campaigning, or contributions, you "take pleasure in them that do".



18th Jul, 2011 - 7:40pm / Post ID: #

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but by supporting their party or candidates by vote, campaigning, or contributions, you "take pleasure in them that do".


Hmmm I am not sure I agree with your stance here. Basically because if I follow what the Church has taught about this (as quoted in this thread) I am not under any condemnation that you seem to suggest... And let's face it (and please don't take it wrong) if I have to follow what the Church teaches versus a random guy from the internet then its a non-brainer. It's more I don't support the party or campaign or even contribute financially. And even if I do, I don't see it in the same way you do.



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