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sanctificatn said:

We'd love to hear your thoughts on this, although there are probably just as many scriptures discussing works as discuss faith only for salvation.

We believe all men will have eternal life, through the atoning sacrifice of our Savior. It's the quality of that life that is affected by "works."

Roz

Offtopic but, Your profile says you are an atheist -- are you sure you believe what you are discussing here? Or is your intention only to cause dissension?

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Actually, you won't really get much argument on this point from active Mormons, although there may be some discussion about terms.

We say that the Lord has given commandments so that we learn and grow, and develop into the types of people who He wants us to be. So, we work. Many of the things we do are simply various types of service - service to our God and to our fellow man. However, none of the things we do lead to salvation. They only help us to become. We recognize that without the Atonment, we are completely lost.

4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Articles of Faith 1:4)

This shows that we believe that without faith in Jesus Christ, nothing else is possible.

Finally, one verse of scripture that sums it all up for me is:
32 Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.
33 And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot. (Moroni 10:32,33)

NightHawk

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I chose athiest because I would find brotherhood with whomever does worship like I do; whether they belong to the LDS church or mine or something else. Since I choose to discern the LDS church on the basis of their theology, I also desire to be discerned by mine. For that reason, titles get in the way of open-mindedness. I will tell you that I am not an athiest. For these good reasons I would rather not tell you with what church I identify with, but I will tell you if you ask me.

Regarding this quality of life that is determined by works, in the hereafter and in this life.... Those who have not faith in Jesus will die in their sins. They will experience spiritual death; they will not be resurrected in the likeness of Jesus. In my understanding. As well, when I say "saved" I know you mean resurrection but I do not, so I will now use the word "exaultation," because that is the best fit for what I understand. Do you know a better one? Here is my idea of salvation:

"I have come so that they might have life, and have it to the fullest." john 10:10

2 cor. 1: "For no matter how many promises God has made, they are 'Yes' in Christ." 1 john 4:15 "If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God. God lives in him and he in God."

"And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body" eph 1:22

I am not sure if I have painted a clear picture or not... let me know. I believe that works determine the rewards we might receive in heaven. Not whether or not we are found spotless and blameless and pure in His sight when we are judged.

Nighthawk said: << We say that the Lord has given commandments so that we learn and grow, and develop into the types of people who He wants us to be. So, we work. >>

But I think it is the opposite, and I have many very important reasons why. In fact, those reasons that I may get the opportunity to share with you are the reason why I am here. At least the most important one. When I say opposite, I believe that I "become" through identifying myself in Christ by faith, and that the works are simply an expression of it, a chance for the world to see God gloified in my life and those around me.

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User Sanctificatn you don't make much sense. If you wish to explain issues about your own personal outlook on life then use your own thread located here for that so that these topics do not go off topic and threads do not become a lengthy mystery. I have also written you many times about updating your profile and other points, please adhere to them so that other users can understand your purpose and point.

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JB,

I thought that since an offtopic question was asked here I could also answer it here. I think the issue is finished, and I don't need to say anything more about it. Is that all right with you? I have not seen any messages from you, only the one from Roz above, regarding my profile at this point. I must have missed them. My threads may be a lengthy mystery, but there was only one paragraph above that was about my profile; the rest was ontopic, right? How far offtopic is how I regard the LDS church? I think the people would ask me this as we went. I wrote these issues here in this post because I like to exercize the right to respond publically as I was addressed publically. And because I am unsure about starting some kind of new topic. I explained my purpose and point, in my eyes, by choosing athiest to describe me. When I apply for jobs I don't have to disclose my religion to those who might hire me; really, I am of the impression that it is not anyone's business unless I make it. But you tell me what you think; I will follow what you tell me to do so that we can be at peace in this matter. PM if you like.

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There are set ways to handle it. The subject of this thread is 'What Is The Minimum To Being Saved'. Users give their view and usually it ends there. Threads posted here are not usually with the idea that we will now try to investigate 'why' each person thinks that way... if you want to do this then you need to start a new thread specifically dealing with this.

This isn't an argument, there is nothing to be at peace about. The messages I sent were via the Email address you have within our database here. Again please use the link I gave you above and you will find we can better serve you in your personal thread and answer your questions about using the forum. Thanks.

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