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I eat meat and am a lifetime member of P.E.T.A. (People Eating Tasty Animals). One of the ways I view the meat injunction in the WoW is that it's not one of the requirements that were enshrined in say, the TR questions.

So it becomes more of a model for me and likely something that may have been more for the times it was given. Having said that, I tend to eat more chicken and fish than red meat. I also seem to recall and Ensign article from way back in the 1970's that recommended a little bit (2 oz.) of meat everyday.

But I think the bottom line is that how much and what kind is more of a personal choice and it's generally up to you to decide what is "sparingly" and what is "too much". Perhaps when you're gorging yourself so much and you don't seem to notice that you're harming yourself, the Church might come into play.

Also, I'd have to say that the scriptures and doctrine indicate to me that vegetarianism is a sin. Even if you've decided to do it on your own and leave everyone else alone. If it's bad to suggest it to others, then it must be bad (or simply not allowed) for you.

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A sin? I think that is taking it too far, there is no indication of that in the scriptures.

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The scripture in Doctrine and Covenants (which I think is the one you're referring to) is talking about those who teach others to abstain from meat you know what am I saying? (and I think you're aware of the historical context of that particular verse and you're probably aware of the discussion with regards to how it is written as well) I would like if you can present ONE scripture that says vegetarianism is a sin.

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Vegetarianism is not a sin, if anything eating to much meat is. But with all thins equal, it is nether a sin to eat to abstain from animal products. Who are we to know Gods other children and servants and what thier bodies need or can tolerate.

As as been stated previously, no where does it say in Scripture, abstaining is a sin. It only gives cautionary warning to those who would try to push or force those views on those who may not believe so, only a matter of agency and unrighteous dominion on another being.

The Word of Wisdom was given for all of the Saints, like parables in the New Testament, things are written for even the weakest of Saints to see and follow,with meat for those who want more then just milk.

To the contrary, Scriptures point to not killing anything, except to protect ones life or those about them. The Word of Wisdom very plainly says, it is not pleasing unto God, but if you must, sparingly during times of famine, cold and excessive hunger. It reads like that if you know proper English sentence structure and by the Spirit, if is wiling to receive it.

The Word of Wisdom was given as advice, then a commandment, and God has expected the saints to begin to live it to the fullest,but they have become too trapped by Babylon, and they don't seem to see it. Like Hebrews in the Bible, they were so stiff necked and turned to those who would tell them what they want to hear, so they could continue in their lusts and carnal natures.

God gives us all allowance to progress at our own speed. Thankfully

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I know very few members that could give up making meat a main part of their diet. In fact they won't eat their food unless there is a big chunk of meat there as evident from the church activities I've been too.

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I totally agree, I don't see very many Church members ready to give up their meat or flesh, to even sparingly. The few I do, are there because of major health issues, and just happened to be open enough to see outside of the Mormon Box mind set.

I have seen that in the most part, those in the Church who promote its consumption the most at BBQs and etc, are the ones with the worst health issues. I don't look at them with contempt, being very Empathic like Christ, I feel so much sorrow and anguish for them, and want to help; I am also a Medical Empathic Intuitive with the gift of discernment if you understand what that is.

I have some issue with the Church not being more direct about the Word or Wisdom, but then the Gospel is more then Bread/Meat. The Church has taken a new direction the last few years, more of one, where more responsibility is being placed on individual Saints in directing their own lives, and a lot of the reporting back to the Church on somethings is no longer done. We are told, God teaches correct principles, and our members govern themselves, well maybe as we enter deeper into the last days, that will be our biggest test. Who will receive the light and change their lives, without regular reminder. Maybe that is how we will be judged and how so many in the last days might fall away from the Church as things worsen; agency has it pluses, but also gives us the freedom to hang ourselves.

Who has the light and connection with God to stick with it, when the world and when many members of the church seem to be sliding in a different direction.

Back to case in point, I know, I see it too, every function revolves around meat and or sweet dessert junk food. They seem like meat and sweet addicts, pushing their wares; they seem unaware in most part, like the parable of the 10 virgins, I find that this Parable has many applications in ever aspect of life and peoples behavior.

Meat is enticing, it is actually addicting in a way to ones senses. When the Spirit decades ago, told me to leave meat alone, my body could not handle, plus for Spiritual reasons. Some time years later, I found myself developing negative reactions to nuts and legumes, from some unrelated heath issue from the military, so panic-ed and pleaded with the Lord for eating it sparingly. The Lord told me, ok, but no more then a few onces a day on the average, which stemmed from my knowledge of Seventh Day Advent medical research; if you average only 3 ounces a day, will not alter your body pH and balance. Well, over a couple years, found I was not following the guideline, and realized I need to cut it out. I realized I had lost some faith, and feared, that I really did not need the meat. I had to go through withdrawals and get it out of my system, but it was easy compared to the first time. I realized I could not eat meat sparingly.

I learned in time, from observation and the Spirit, that we crave foods that our bodies cannot handle or that are additive to us for some reason, or we use to self administer to bring relief of some bodily stress or dysfunction. I learned that foods that we are intolerant of, cause us to crave them, just like a alcoholic or drug addiction. Once we consume them, we want them more and more, and or need our fix a few times a week, to every day. When we a food, it should very rapidly satisfy us, and don't want too much more. If one keeps craving more and more or some other food, it is not good for you.

I found that for me at least, if I eat something sparingly 2 to 3 times a week, it can be all it takes to keep the adduction satisfied and withdrawal symptoms at bay, while the food is quietly reeking damage and havoc in my body, unaware until it is well establish. Of late, really had to push myself to remember and take serous the Lords warning for me to give up wheat and etc grains and dairy products or their ingredients in foods. The Lord had warmed me about diary decades ago, but would forget over time and to make everyone else happy in my life. Not a easy thing, when one is a hypersensitive empathy, and with everyones feelings and wishes in your head.

I guess this post has gotten too long, but will leave with this. The Word of Wisdom says that the destroying Angel will pass by those who live the Word of Wisdom. Are the members waiting for some big dramatic plague or something, they are dieing and suffering in droves today, thinking they are living the most the Word of Wisdom has to offer. They have come to accept the fact that degenerative diseases of old age and our polluted times is now the norm. And most seem ok with turning their health care over to the Arm of Flesh, as Joseph Smith warmed. The Church members seem more and more, to be slipping into Babylon and waking in the dark murky mist, as mentioned in Book of Mormon.

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Let me be a little bit of the devil's advocate here if you want to call it that and ask if any of you will be eating turkey sparingly today or this does not count on special occasions?

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No I will not be eating Turkey sparingly today for Thanksgiving. My body actually does not process and use meat. Besides most meat today is full of toxins and antibiotic residues.

So, I don't eat flesh sparingly, but I eat animal products very sparingly. I find that is good in some respects, I tend to become take some things to the extreme in my life, because of my IQ and ADD, so it helps me to become not so, if I keep a little of the things in my life, that I may not exactly like or agree with me.

For me each day is survival, just to maintain some form of quality life, and just do th best I can.

But this morning my wife fixed for breakfast, scrambled eggs with lots of spinach and thin sliced red bell peppers. Yesterday was out of the home shopping and got hungry and had beef broccoli, just did not serve myself the beef. Once a month we take the Elders out to eat, and I eat my favorite, Chile Rellenos with refried beans and corn tortillas.

My body has never handled meat, even as a kid, even though I craved it and ate lots of it, like an addiction to sugar or a drug. My body is weak from health issues, my body cannot really handle, can't really handle animal foods, eggs seem the most acceptable to my body. I do make natural whole grain brown rice coconut cakes and etc, use eggs to help hold them together.

I look at it with priorities, if I do not need it, why eat. But if push came to shove, and was in an emergency situation, would eat sparingly to save my life. Joseph Smith told the Brethren, how were wild animals going to loose their viscousness toward man, if we did not do the same. Besides my health issues, I am trying to follow the spirit of the Word of Wisdom and other Scripture. Even Joseph Fielding Smith, past President of the Church, shrived to eat meat very sparingly to hardly at all and he was not the only one.

Following the fact that what we eat makes us who we are, could not eating meat produce changes, so we fully do not need animal products, just a feeling from the Spirit I have, with no total conclusions yet. I have seen many account from science research, that we and animals adapt, to survive and they dido by our conscience willing choices.

I read a science report years ago, a Lion at zoo kept killing its cubs immediately after birth. One time they saved them, and found they had not preference for flesh. They concluded that they were herbivores or omnivores, and that was why the mother was killing them, because the time of the millennium was not yet.

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