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Immigration Law No, this is not just about the USA, this happens anywhere and in any country. They are in: The restaurant business. Construction. The hotel industry. Agriculture. Can any of these function without Immigrants willing to do the job?
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24th Oct, 2006 - 1:48am / Post ID: #

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The key for me on this is are you coming into the country to work, make money, take advantage of our social services and then take the gains back to another country? What most of American doesn't want are immigrants coming in and immediately going on Social Services. Our government already has a big enough problem controlling our spending without adding several million more to government dependence. I just got this email today and has a interesting twist to this subject:

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About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.  A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.  From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.  During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000
States won by: Gore: 19; Bush: 29
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2; Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds:  "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.  Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."  Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.  If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.


Immigration is what made the US, Australia and several other countries. However, it is fair to say that the original people did not come to the US and Australia for great work opportunities or government programs. They had to build it from scratch. They came here for the opportunity to build a better life for themselves. If those that come here today do it with the same approach, the US will have no problems. Come here and immediately enter government programs that you never put any money into, then there will be concerns from the masses.

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Post Date: 13th Mar, 2007 - 11:24am / Post ID: #

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TENSE IMMIGRATION TALK DAMPENS BUSH'S VISIT

President Bush's message of goodwill in Latin America ran into a wall in Guatemala on Monday, as his defense of U.S. immigration law met with disapproval from his hosts.
Ref. https://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/03/...3.ap/index.html

Post Date: 19th Apr, 2007 - 10:38pm / Post ID: #

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Mass Immigrant Rights Rally Planned for May Day 2007 One Year After Record Day of Protest

May Day is less than two weeks away. Last year, more than a million and a half immigrant rights supporters turned out for what was considered the largest day of protest in U.S. history. We take a look at the state of the immigrant rights movement and the plans for May Day 2007.
Ref. https://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/19/1349225

19th Apr, 2007 - 11:08pm / Post ID: #

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How the Mexican Government aids and abets illegal border crossings:

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"The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps
National Citizens Neighborhood Watch - Securing the American Border"

...The Mexican government had placed flashing red lights on the Mexico side of the border to mark off where the Minuteman posts were in New Mexico. Yet they're already well over 7 times the number of reported illegal crossers in the first four days of this month.
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...the Mexican government distributes kits to illegals preparing to cross the border. Designed to make their trip easier, they include water, condoms, Band-Aids, maps, and food supplies for a day or so. At the same time, President Fox tells us that they are trying to help reduce the flow of immigrants into the United States.

In early 2006 Mexico's Human Rights Commission planned to distribute about seventy thousand maps to illegal border-crossers along with a guide to the expected risks. The poster-size maps "use red dots to pinpoint where hundreds of immigrants have died. Blue flags indicate where the 70 water tanks placed by Humane Borders are, and stars show where U.S. Border Patrol rescue beacons are located." Incidentally, the Human Rights Commission, a Mexican-government-funded agency, suspended distribution of the maps after it was believed that anti-immigrant groups like the Minutemen might utilize the map to help capture illegals. "This would be practically like telling the Minutemen where the migrants are going to be," said Miguel Ángel Paredes, spokesman for the Human Rights Commission. "We are going to rethink this, so that we wouldn't almost be handing them over to groups that attack immigrants."

This incident was not the first time the Mexican government sought to provide information for would-be illegals about entry into the United States. In January 2005 Mexico's Foreign Ministry published a thirty-two-page comic book titled "The Guide for the Mexican Migrant." The handbook provided tips with illustrations for situations such as:

"¢    To cross the river can be very risky, above all if you cross alone and at night.
"¢    If you cross by desert, try to walk at times when the heat will not be too intense.
"¢    If you get lost, guide yourself by lightposts, train tracks, or dirt roads.
"¢    If you decide to hire people traffickers to cross the border, consider the following precautions: Do not let them out of your sight. Remember that they are the only ones who know the lay of the land, and therefore the only ones who can get you out of that place.
"¢    It is better to be arrested for a few hours and repatriated to Mexico than to get lost in the desert.

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19th Apr, 2007 - 11:15pm / Post ID: #

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Farseer, is this some sort of joke?

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.the Mexican government distributes kits to illegals preparing to cross the border. Designed to make their trip easier, they include water, condoms, Band-Aids, maps, and food supplies for a day or so. A


What the heck? How can a government do such a thing and support illegal immigration this way?! It's crazy! rolleyes.gif I wonder about the veracity of this.


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19th Apr, 2007 - 11:24pm / Post ID: #

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Nope, no joke. That's actually a quote from the book written by Tom Tancredo, currently a US Congressman, called "In Mortal Danger." If it's not true, the government of Mexico has had plenty of time in which to protest.


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19th Apr, 2007 - 11:29pm / Post ID: #

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They are absolutely mad. There is not other word that can describe such a irresponsible behavior. I am surprised that after all this, the US still have some sort of relationship with Mexico.


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19th Apr, 2007 - 11:31pm / Post ID: #

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Well it is simple... the more 'Brown' the US gets the better it will be for Mexico. How did I reach that conclusion? Immigrants always think of their love ones back home and so they send lots of the green back there thus fueling the economy.

Secretly the US economy is also happy for the cheap labor being sent their way, so in the end: Immigrants - Love Them Or Hate Them?


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