Mormons & Exorcism
Something you see regularly in movies and supposedly practiced a lot by other Churches is that of exorcism which by interpretation is to cast an evil spirit that has illegally taken over a mortal man's body. In the Church this is not something that is widely talked about, but we do see a lot of evidence of it being performed by the Apostles and Christ in the New Testament. What are your feelings and/or knowledge on the subject?
I know of a book, by an active member of the Church, that deals with it. I have been trying to get the book, but haven't ordered it yet.
Several people who have read it have reported incredible results, including learning how to recognize the presence of malicious spirits, how to call on the Lord for assistance and protection, and how to actually help some malicious but not evil spirits to find their way to the Lord.
Now, in Mormon History, there are quite a few references to evil spirits. Missionaries in England were frequently hounded and tormented by spirits. I have read fairly recent missionary experiences wherein missionaries run in to problems.
Now, what is interesting is that the Priesthood is not always effective in exorcising such "demons." If the place is "haunted" because of extensive wickedness that has occured there, or is still occuring there, it may be necessary to just leave it alone. Also, young missionaries are frequently not very successful.
I have heard of times wherein church leadership send forth special "ordinances" to deal with such a situation. I expect it is just special wording for a normal ordinance, but not having participated, I can't say for sure.
Back to closer experiences, we learn in the Temple how to "cast out" evil spirits. But that is probably really only truly effective in a setting that is already dedicated and consecrated to the Lord. Thus, if we have dedicated our homes, that form is probably effective there.
People I know who have had experiences with malicious experiences have reportedly talked with those spirits, learned their names, and learned what they are up to. One case concerned a lady who inadvertently walked through an American Indian burial ground, and the spirit of a young brave attached himself to her. She began experiencing some strange things, so got together with a friend to learn what was happening. They learned who this young man had been, then explained to him that there was a way for him to become a mighty warrior. They then prayed to the Lord to send a Lamanite angel to help the young warrior. They reported that the young warrior got all excited because he saw the angel, and he departed with the angel to learn how to advance.
The same woman reported that once she found that one of Satan's minions was attached to her. She said that it was very frightening, and it took mighty prayer to call on angels to protect her and drive it away. I can't remember whether or not she said that she had a priesthood blessing to help at this time. She may not have, because all of the priesthood members in her life think she is nuts to believe any of this stuff.
For myself, I tend to believe it, mainly because I see things in my own life that make perfect sense ONLY in relation to these types of experiences. That is why I am trying to get this book, so that I can study, ponder, and pray about it to learn if it will be helpful to ME.
When my addictions get really bad, I feel like I am driven to things that I don't want to do. Afterwards, the feelings are completely gone, and disgust, depression, and anguish are all that's left. This seems to be common with almost all addictions, which really makes me wonder if malicious spirits aren't involved in many things.
The author of the book, Mel Fish, apparently warns that sending malicious spirits away works, but only for a while, until we invite them back through our actions.
Finally, the book is Healing the Inner Self: From Darkness into Light, and is apparently only available directly from the author.
NightHawk
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Now, what is interesting is that the Priesthood is not always effective in exorcising such "demons." If the place is "haunted" because of extensive wickedness that has occured there, or is still occuring there, it may be necessary to just leave it alone. Also, young missionaries are frequently not very successful. |
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I have heard of times wherein church leadership send forth special "ordinances" to deal with such a situation. I expect it is just special wording for a normal ordinance, but not having participated, I can't say for sure. |
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Back to closer experiences, we learn in the Temple how to "cast out" evil spirits. But that is probably really only truly effective in a setting that is already dedicated and consecrated to the Lord. Thus, if we have dedicated our homes, that form is probably effective there. |
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When my addictions get really bad, I feel like I am driven to things that I don't want to do. Afterwards, the feelings are completely gone, and disgust, depression, and anguish are all that's left. This seems to be common with almost all addictions, which really makes me wonder if malicious spirits aren't involved in many things. |
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The author of the book, Mel Fish, apparently warns that sending malicious spirits away works, but only for a while, until we invite them back through our actions. |
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But we are talking about the Priesthood! The power of God on Earth....tell me if I'm wrong but there is not a more powerful method available on Earth to deal with things like this. If young missionaries are frequently not very successful or other Priesthood holders I cannot say it for sure, but I assume is lack of real Faith. |
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In Doctrine and Covenants we learn how to distinguish and cast them out too and I think we can do it in all settings, not only in a dedicated and consecrated place. What makes you think it is only in dedicated places that we can cast them out only? |
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Another point to think about on this subject is the faith and confidence of others. If people in a "haunted" house don't believe in the power of the Priesthood, and are just humoring the Elders, then the Priesthood ordinance probably won't be effective. Also, if the spirits are drawn to wicked activities that are occuring or have occured in the house, it may take more than simply "casting out" the spirits. |
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Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I was talking about the very simple act learned in the Temple. Remember, Jesus told his disciples (who held the Priesthood) that sometimes it takes much fasting and prayer to cast out devils. A dedicated, consecrated place, such as a Temple, chapel, or home, already has a degree of spiritual protection, so a simple ordinance may be effective, whereas an old thieves' den may require a whole lot of fasting, prayer, and even have to be dedicated over and over. |
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One more thing. The sister who wrote about having an Indian brave attached to her also said that she has found that playing spiritual music helps tremendously to keep evil spirits away. |
I'm reading your posts with great interest. My sister had experiences in the past with malicious spirits, and I believe she still does but doesn't like to talk about it. But she has a lot of anger in her that is really unexplainable -- and so vehemently against the LDS church as to be scary sometimes.
In my opinion, some people are just more susceptible -- or maybe just more sensitive? -- to spirits, whether malicious or not.
And of course, FAITH is the key to protection/exorcising.
Roz
Here are some points of interest I would like to bring up...
1. No spirit can enter into your body unless you allow it - holy or unholy
2. Methods for allowing spirit(s) to enter your body are prescribed in the scriptures (example: we know what we have to do if we want the presence of the Holy Spirit)
3. Missionaries tend to be very young not only in mind, but in what they possess, thus they hardly know how to give a blessing let alone to perform an exorcism. Nighthawk pointed out some reasons as regards to fasting and prayer, etc.
4. Casting out an evil spirit as far as I know can be done in as simple a manner as a blessing, once you are able to do so. Keep in mind that not all possessions are manifested in a violent manner.
5. I have been in the room where Heber C. Kimball had his vision of the evil hosts attacking them. The place is not owned by the Church, but the man who does own it allowed us to view... it is extremely small and the men must have been really trashed in such cramped quaters.
6. We sometimes fail to realize that the Spirit World is here, with us, and death just takes us to that world - right here - like a different dimension if you will but in the same void. Thus interaction between the two is inevitable if even not so apparent.
Based on my experiences.
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My sister had experiences in the past with malicious spirits, and I believe she still does but doesn't like to talk about it. But she has a lot of anger in her that is really unexplainable -- and so vehemently against the LDS church as to be scary sometimes. |
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1. No spirit can enter into your body unless you allow it - holy or unholy |