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If we had a nuke attack that wiped out Washington DC... I think we'd have more pressing problems than just who's in charge. Like, where is the next attack coming to? Where is / are the attack(s) coming from? Who's in charge of the military, and do we have enough military here at home to respond??

I do understand that there are provisions in place to keep the government "in business" so to speak, but how would the word get out? Rumors would fly, the media would be in a frenzy. (This is one of the reasons I'd like to get a HAM radio license.)

Martial law would definitely be instituted, and maybe not temporarily, depending on events following the initial attack.

Scary, scary stuff.

IMO
Roz

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why do you think you never see dick cheney? they always seem to have him hid off somewhere. And in the yearly 'state of the union' addresses, they always make sure there is SOMEONE along the 'chain of command' so to speak, who could carry on if something should happen in dc.

Right now we don't face all out destruction from a nuclear holocaust the way we did in the cold war, but we still face the dangers of a so called 'limited' nuclear war from countries such as Iran and North Korea, not to mention a random terrorist attack. The thing to realize is in case of a random nuclear attack that just as big a danger as the initial blast is the after effects of radiation.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but I think the odds of a random terrorist NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) attack of some kind in the united states is more of a WHEN than an IF scenario.

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About the Armageddon Plan,

FEMA's Creation and Role

FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is effectively by-passed.

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of it's budget on national emergencies, as the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights with just one signature, The Presidents':

• EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
• EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any Cyber-person national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual(such as Operation Northwoods)

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very good and accurate info there about FEMA. Of course there would be martial law, and the govt. would take over all utilities and banks etc to insure the most expiditious recovery possible for the good of the nation as a whole.

I would like to think that the ultimate long term goal would be a return to our constitutional government as soon as possible and feasible.

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I am 100% certain that teh United States would recover; however, the financial collapse of many countries ( this could happen with a nuclear attack anywhere in the world ) would be so drastic that the line between 3rd world nations and industrialized nations would become more defined. It seems to me that $$$ is a balancing pole for the entire planet, and when it is shaken - the entire planets feels the rumbles.

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I really dont think it is a matter of if...it is more when will the US fall. If you take history into account, all civilizations that rise to the top hold that only for so long. The Roman Empire is probably the best example. Eventually, the US grasp of the top dog title will fall. It wont even take a nuke...just like Rome.

However, if there were a nuke attack, the plans in place should help see the government through the initial tough times. Plus, aside from the major government services, the federal government does not enter your life too much on a daily basis.

Vincenzo

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MOST AMERICANS BELIEVE NUCLEAR ATTACK COMING

Though the Soviet Union is gone, the nuclear fears that fueled the Cold War haven't disappeared. Most Americans think nuclear weapons are so dangerous that no country should have them, and a majority believe it's likely that terrorists or a nation will use them within five years.
https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C...22511%2C00.html

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Fear is the weapon that is used to enslave us. When will we learn to not give into fear. I am not naive, but Americans have been fearing an imminent attack by nukes for decades, its what allows our freedoms to be syphoned away.

To the main question, I look at this much different than most. The question involves the total collapse of the government, the Federal government. Lines of Succession mean nothing when the fed collapses. A government cannot take control and impose martial law if its collapsed as bad as described.

But fear not Americans, there is something that would happen. We are set up in a fashion that will not allow the total collapse of our country. In case of the collapse of our federal government, we simply fall back on our state governments and elected officials. They are the government within the government and have more actual power, constitutionally, than the federal government does. Point in case, any state can chose to not follow federal mandates if they so chose, some states have refused to allow the Patriot Act to be enforced in their states. So if the fed fell, the power and responsibility would fall on the individual states to run their parts of the country until we the people could establish another government. Of course, this is also why a revolution would no immobilize our country either. We have the ability to function without the federal government if needed.