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I agree with what has been said to clarify this.

I have always considered myself a patriot. To me that means I love my country. Country is not synonymous with Government or any individual within it. I do not believe loyalties run to Government officials or leaders. We do well to respect the office, yes, and be kind in our words as we would to anyone, but let us not hold what the evidence suggests to be true ransom to misapplied loyalties.

Anti-corruption in government, not anti-government. I believe in government!

Addtionally, I might say, that I (not being a US citizien) nevertheless have a great respect for the foundation of that government and the men who framed it. I believe the principles of those freedom documents (Declaration, Constitution, Bill of Rights, Monroe Doctrine, and some of their other writings) are for all people (not to be imposed but espoused through example), for all flesh. They are just and holy principles and flow through the foundations of the British and US perhaps moreso than any other countries in the world.

It is a pity our leaders do not respect these principles and seek to become "as the rest of the world". Perhaps this is the real spirit of being anti-USA, anti-British. The enemy within always is far more to be feared than those without.

Dubhdara.

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I can understand disagreement with US policies, or disagreement with President Bush. But he is the only person in power, apparently throughout the world, that is willing to put his reputation and power on line for what is right.

Anti-american sentiment is expressed by the demands that the US submit our sovereignity to the mismanagement, socialistic, corrupt, and ineffective UN. It is even more obvious when we look at attempts to tell the US how to defend herself by the EU, when the US has provided almost ALL the defense for all of Western Europe for the last 50 years. That is also true of places such as much of the Middle East, the South Pacific, and parts of Asia. Because the US provided the defense, all these regions have been able to become spendthrifts, wasting their economies on social programs that had ravaged and destroyed their ability to provide for themselves.

Another facet of anti-americanism is the hypocrisy that we see inside and outside of the US. It is evidenced by the constant harping that the US had no right nor reason to enter Iraq, but then the accusations that "Bush Knew" with the corollary that he could have taken action before 9/11 and prevented it.

So, he had what appeared to be credible evidence (as shown by the fact that all other leaders of Western governments, including the leaders of the US Democratic party spoke about it BEFORE 2001) that Iraq had WMDs. There was also evidence (with the same support) that Iraq was the major supplier, supporter, and trainer of international terrorism. After combining these things with the knowledge that Iraq was, at that time, at least as bad for its own people as Nazi Germany was, and the fact that Iraq had already used chemical weapons extensively, he took action.

I still have reservations about how he justified the action, legally. Congress abdicated its responsibility by simply passing a resolution of support for the use of force against Iraq. Thus, I blame Congress at least as much as President Bush for getting us involved.

I detest the social agenda that GWB has implemented, as I believe it is destructive to US culture, liberty, and sovereignity.

And that is the heart of anti-americanism. If what a person advocates is anti-liberty, or seeks the submission of the US to any other authority, that is, IMO, anti-american.

At the same time, I fully appreciate and support the feelings of other countries that feel the US is trying to force them to submit to our authority and culture. But one of the problems I see with this is that much of the cultural domination is entirely unintentional. That is, countries such as France have freqently decride the facts that US culture (McDonalds, rock'n'roll, blue jeans) have made such inroads into their cultures, yet this is entirely due to the fact that people LIKE much of US culture.

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I was led by Sarah at "tryingtogrok" to a wonderful article that goes into great (scholarly) detail about the current worldwide situation, and the conflict of, what I would call, "mega" philosophies.

Essentially, the author describes a "three-way" war between Islamism (Islamofascism, Muslim extremism, however you want to word it), "p-idealism", and "empiricism". He gives a lot of background on what they each are, and how they are manifest in the world today.

I agree completely with his thesis.

The best points he brings out are that Europe is dominated by "p-idealism" which is most strongly indicated by socialism, especially Social Democracy. The US is dominated by empiricism, which brings strong science and engineering, and supports the concepts of classical liberalism, capitalism, and natural rights.

This article brings out a lot of concepts that take thought and work to understand. But they are very powerful arguments. I suggest everyone read this, and try to understand what he is saying. Extremely powerful, especially when discussing what is, and isn't, anti-American.

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im live britain and i love it sooo much, i think america gets into trouble for nothing, why does america force and detain other countries like syria and iran, becsause they have WMD????? america invented WMD's and they have the most deadly weapons on the universe (provided no aliens exist!!) they have used them in iraw, dont tell me they sniped women by mistake in iraq, they the most accurate snipers they really dont have many fans no more, i was with america against taliban and i congratulate it for such a good work but since what happedn in iraq im never gonna support such a country with such a policy ,!!!!!!

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Yhayatli, what WMD has the US used in Iraq? I do not believe this is an acurate statement. The US has used some very large bombs, but I don't think any of them have been classified as WMD.

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I would add that it was Muslim extremists who were found with chemical weapons out of Syria (did they come from Iraq? Possibly), about to use these WMDs, in Jordan last week.

The US doesn't use WMDs. Iraq did. Syria does. Korea is ready to. Iran did.

Yes, the US did in 1945. And we are still paying the price, and still discussing whether it was justified. But we didn't do it against an ethnic minority - just because it was an ethnic minority, as Saddam did. We were attacked, we lost thousands and thousands of our people making sure that it was all over, and were ready to lose hundreds of thousands more.

You want to hate us? Fine. But make sure you know why you hate us. I challenge you to read the article I referenced earlier today, and then tell me that it really isn't because you envy us and want to take us down for not being the same as you.

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no im talking about the goverment i dont hate american people u people seem very nice!, and american goverment was the first to use atomic bomb and they used cluster bombs and they drop heavy bombs on afghanistan, no one would use WMD's against america if they just go out of MID-East, iran never used WMD's and niether did syria!


plz dont think i hate american people, its the goverment

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I think that is an important distinction. I don't like every thing our government does either. However, even our government isn't all bad. I think the world would be a better place if we all remembered that we are all just people in the end. Often, we lose sight of that fact. We all get up in the morning and use the bathroom first thing. We all bleed if we are cut, etc.

I think the internet, and especially forums like this, help to make the world a better place because we get to discuss things with people that we would never have an opportuntiy to do otherwise and maybe get a sense of how they think and why. I enjoy reading your posts.