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11th May, 2004 - 7:52pm / Post ID: #

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QUOTE (MrB @ 11-May 04, 12:57 PM)
Nighthawk, I sure do not mean any disrespect and I understand your patriotism, but surely you can't put your head in the sand on this one.

Putting my head in the sand??? Have you read ANY of my posts through?

Of course it happened. Part of the question is, to what degree, but even that is not much of the equation now. What is happening is a feeding frenzy, by the media and the socialist governments and organizations who hate GWB and the US.

Again. Those who did these things will be punished. If it is part of a systemic thing (which is NOT indicated by Iraqis who were peripherally involved) then the system WILL be changed. That is one thing that the US is extremely good at doing. We will make it right.

What I have been trying to do is point out what other people are saying, most notably, Iraqi people who have actually been in the prison, before and/or after the fall of Saddam. Along with that, I have read many things by Iraqis expressing their absolute contempt for the contempt so many hold the US in, as what happened there was so minor, in their eyes.

I have come to the conclusion that GWB's and Rumsfeld's apologies were very poor service to their country and their offices. I don't think my President should be apologizing for the actions of criminals and fools (including Brig. Generals who don't know what they are doing). Especially not until I hear some apologies from presidents, dictators, and clerics who personally perform more inhumane acts than these fools did.


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11th May, 2004 - 8:14pm / Post ID: #

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I don't think my President should be apologizing for the actions of criminals and fools (including Brig. Generals who don't know what they are doing). Especially not until I hear some apologies from presidents, dictators, and clerics who personally perform more inhumane acts than these fools did.


Nighthawk, I always enjoy your polital views and I often (probably most often) agree, but not in this case. I have always been taught "The poor behavior of others does not excuse your own. Therefore, just because no one else apologized doesn't mean you shouldn't." Translated, to me, this means we should apologize for any wrong doing regardless of what another country has done or would do in our place.


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11th May, 2004 - 9:18pm / Post ID: #

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It seems like the investigation concerning the British soldiers that abused Iraqi prisoners could show that these cases of abuse are not isolated. It seems like some British soldiers used to urinate to the prisoners and make contests of who beats more a prisoner. cry.gif


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11th May, 2004 - 11:53pm / Post ID: #

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QUOTE (tenaheff @ 11-May 04, 4:14 PM)
Therefore, just because no one else apologized doesn't mean you shouldn't." Translated, to me, this means we should apologize for any wrong doing regardless of what another country has done or would do in our place.

I agree that GWB should take responsibility. But not apologize. I don't believe in apologizing for other peoples' actions.

My point is that, once again, we are held to a double standard. I agree that we should hold to a higher standard, but then so should everyone else. If they are unwilling to hold to a high standard, themselves, or unwilling to hold others to that standard, why do they condemn us? That is rank hypocrisy.

I am certainly willing to hold the US to that high standard. I just expect all these others to hold it also.

LDS, I have not been following the British investigation, other than to know that there are very powerful indications that many of the photos are most likely fake, including the one indicating a soldier urinating on a prisoner. They are still investigating it, but professional photographers have noted that the lighting is inconsistent in that picture.

As I said before, if it is found that there is a systemic problem, the system will be changed, and the process will be cleaned up. I really don't believe that it is systemic. I have known too many members of the military. This type of thing just isn't part of the US culture, outside of college hazing rituals.

And that is the problem. These acts were more like college fraternity hazing than torture. They were a bunch of out-of-control reservist MPs, unsupervised, stupid.


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Post Date: 12th May, 2004 - 10:27am / Post ID: #

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While I do not agree with the US policy in Iraq, I must, I feel compelled, to register my horror at the inhuman acts of those terrorists in the beheading of the American, Nick Berg. How can human beings be so, so cruel .... and to show such cruelty to the world. The Iraqi prisoners' abuse pales in light of this actions by that group of terrorists. They are just not human!

I sympathize with the Berg family. It was a horrible fate for anyone to suffer. Hopefully they are spared further pain by the media showing those pictures over and over again.

12th May, 2004 - 9:38pm / Post ID: #

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Yes, it was something that brought tears to my eyes cry.gif . I strongly felt that something like that would happen undecided.gif These terrorists are not human beings in my opinion, they are sickos!, all my heart goes towards Mr. Berg's family.


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Post Date: 13th May, 2004 - 3:37am / Post ID: #

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That's so horrible.I had no idea it was that ugly.Our media tends to blow things up bigger than they really are in some cases.I hate hearing about people suffering-even really evil people.But war can do weird things to soliders-not that I am making excuses for them or anything.I think its nice of the President to apologize-it lets people know he feels badly that it happened.Theres no shame at all in being big enough to apologize. smile.gif

Post Date: 13th May, 2004 - 5:13pm / Post ID: #

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did you say evil??? do you mean by that the iraqi people???

are you saying iraqi prisoners are evil well i think not cos most of these are just suspects, so please think again

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