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Iraqi Prisoner Abuse? - Page 7

A bit of news concerning the allegations of abuse.

https://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...47324?source=PA

This article in a London newspaper claims that all of the photos alleging British abuse, including the one of a soldier urinating on a prisoner, are a hoax.

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I'm glad to hear they are fake I could not handle another news of abuse going on there, although from what I heard of the soldier who testified, what we saw in the pictures are nothing compared with the material they have and that they have not published as yet
Now, I was reading the news and Rumsfeld was justifying the methods they are using to make the prisoners speak (just as sleep and food deprivation and make them to stand in stressful positions) I am not sure what the Ginebra Convention says about it but I doubt it supports such methods,

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Something that I forgot to mention is that there are also female Iraqi prisoners and some of the pictures they have they show them with their breast exposed and there are allegations of US soldiers forcing them to be naked and forcing them to have sex (rape). This is just plain disgusting!.

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My local news channel this morning reports that Rumsfeld's deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, yesterday admitted in testimony that the methods used were against the rules of the Geneva Convention.

Edited: tenaheff on 14th May, 2004 - 10:33am

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I heard Rumsfeld saying that the methods they are using in general to make the prisoners speak such as food deprivation, sleep deprivation and making them stand in stressful positions etc are methods that they have been approved by the USA. If those methods are against the rules of Geneva Convention then I want to know why the US is using such methods in all the facilities knowing it goes against the law, but when a country hold a US prisoner, then the US expect them to respect the Convention. I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to understand why the rules are not always for everybody.

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I think he means those mentioned like sleep deprivation and the others you listed are approved by the US as being in line with the Geneva Convention. In other words, any type of interrogation done by a US agency is supposed tobe done in accordance with what the US says is o.k. The US is supposed to make that decision based upon the Geneva Convention. It is not left up to the individual doing the interrogation to decide if something is in accordance with the Geneva Convention. They are supposed to do what the US has approved which would keep them in line with the Geneva Convention. You will notice he didn't say anything about taking nude pictures, etc. Those are the ones that Wolfowitz has admitted are against the Geneva Convention and they are not approved by the US.

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Okay, I understand but it seems that based on other investigations (and I don't want to change the subject) the prisoners in Afghanistan were in almost the same circumnstances than these prisoners. Now, since you are an American I would like to know if you truly believe these abuse cases are just few or if you think there may be more cases around.

https://msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/

This is only one of several articles that mentions that some techniques the US is using is violating the Geneva Convention and international laws.

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Sad to say, but I think there are many more cases. I think what the CIA does in general has nothing to do with the Geneva Convention since they are not a military body. Now, take the CIA and use them to get information from War Prisoners and you have a problem. So, I think the CIA trained the military people and trained them according to CIA tactics for non-war investigation (an entirely different topic which in and of itself probably isn't pretty). I think the soldiers at the lower ranks will be used as scapegoats so that the world doesn't find out that it was sanctioned by authorities. Not military authorities, but CIA authorities. I think this is stuff our CIA probably does routinely and never wanted to become public. It is an embarrassment to the government. The real problem is that these people are prisoners of war and so the Geneva Convention does apply. So, the US was caught doing something totally against all rules. I think there was probably a breakdown of command at some level. I don't think Bush or Rumsfeld decided to ignore the Geneva Convention. I think someone just didn't give it a thought. So, CIA tactics were used when they clearly shouldn't have been. I am sure this is also true in Afganistan. We wanted information to find Bin Laden and Hussain and someone decided to do whatever was necessary to get it.

So. I think these are not just a few isolated incidents, but I also don't think our military just blatantly decided to ignore the Geneva Convention either. I know from personal experience that it just doesn't work like that. The military takes all this stuff very seriously.

Now, all of this is just my opinion. It is also possible that there are just isolated cases where lower ranking military members got out of control and didn't have proper supervision and these other reports are fabricated or exaggerated, but you asked my opinion. That is what I am offering. I will, however, remain open minded as I listen to news reports of the investigation.

Edited: tenaheff on 14th May, 2004 - 11:33pm