"Some years ago one of our brethren spoke of the payment of tithing as
'fire insurance.' That statement evoked laughter. Nonetheless, the word of
the Lord is clear that those who do not keep the commandments and observe
the laws of God shall be burned at the time of his coming. For that shall
be a day of judgment and a day of sifting, a day of separating the good
from the evil. I would venture a personal opinion that no event has
occurred in all the history of the earth as dreadful as will be the day of
the Second Coming--no event as fraught with the destructive forces of
nature, as consequential for the nations of the earth, as terrible for the
wicked, or as wonderful for the righteous.
"It will be a time of great and terrible fears, of cataclysmic upheavals of
nature, of weeping and wailing, of repentance too late, and of crying out
unto the Lord for mercy. But for those who in that judgment are found
acceptable, it will be a day for thanksgiving, for the Lord shall come with
his angels, and the apostles who were with him in life, and those who have
been resurrected. Further, the graves of the righteous will be opened and
they shall come forth. Then will begin the great Millennium, a period of a
thousand years when Satan shall be bound and the Lord shall reign over his
people. Can you imagine the wonder and the beauty of that era when the
adversary shall not have influence? Think of his pull upon you now and
reflect on the peace of that time when you will be free from such
influence. There will be quiet and goodness where now there is contention
and evil."
(Gordon B. Hinckley, Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley [1997], 576)
There are a lot of people out there who are beginning to think that many (most) of the natural upheavals will coincide with a "planet X" passing through the solar system, doing some strange things such as changing the rotational axis of our planet, causing intense heat, etc. There are a series of books on this very subject, by an LDS author. I can't remember them right now, but I have one at home. Will post the name and a bit more about it later.
Theoretically, I find this quite appealing, as I believe that God normally uses natural means to accomplish His purposes.
"Certainly there is no point in speculating concerning the day and the
hour. Let us rather live each day so that if the Lord does come while we
yet are upon the earth we shall be worthy of that change which will occur
as in the twinkling of an eye and under which we shall be changed from
mortal to immortal beings. And If we should die before he comes, then--
if our lives have conformed to his teachings--we shall arise in that
resurrection morning and be partakers of the marvelous experiences designed
for those who shall live and work with the Savior in that promised
Millennium. We need not fear the day of his coming; the very purpose of the
Church is to provide the incentive and the opportunity for us to conduct
our lives in such a way that those who are members of the kingdom of God
will become members of the kingdom of heaven when he establishes that
kingdom on the earth."
(Gordon B. Hinckley, Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley (1997), 576)
Nighthawk - are you thinking of the trilogy based on Velikovsky (one of the is called And the Moon Shall Turn to Blood)? I have them somewhere : I think Larsen (?) is the author.
Very interesting. I'm certainly a catastrophist
Dubhdara.
I found this interesting article of Elder Jeffrey R. Holland talking about the Second Coming, it seems like he is saying somehow that the Second Coming of the Lord is not as near as we are discussing in the forum? what do you think?:
"I know that many of you have wondered in your hearts what all of this means regarding the end of the world and your life in it. Many have asked, "Is this the hour of the Second Coming of the Savior and all that is prophesied surrounding that event?" Indeed, sometime not long after 9-11, I had a missionary ask me in all honesty and full of faith, "Elder Holland, are these the last days?" I saw the earnestness in his face and some of the fear in his eyes, and I wanted to be reassuring. I thought perhaps an arm around him and some humor could relieve his anxiety a little. Giving him a hug, I said, "Elder, I may not be the brightest person alive, but even I know the name of the Church." We then talked about being Latter-day Saints. I said, "Yes, Elder, we are in the last days, but there is really nothing new about that. The promised Second Coming of the Savior began with the First Vision of the Prophet Joseph Smith in 1820. So we already have about 184 years of experience seeing the Second Coming and the last days unfold. We can be certain that we are in the last days-years and years of them," I said, and gave him a friendly shake of the hand and sent him on his way....
I hasten to say that I do know what this young man was really asking. What he really meant was, "Will I finish my mission? Is there any point in getting an education? Can I hope for a marriage? Do I have a future? Is there any happiness ahead for me?" And I say to all of you what I said three years ago to him: "Yes, certainly-to all those questions."
https://lds.org/broadcast/ces091204/transcr...006,538,00.html
When I think about people raising questions about moving forward with marriage, education, and happiness relative to the Second Coming it brings to mind the words of Moroni in Moroni 7. To paraphrase we must have faith and hope. We are in the last days, how last is a relative question. But we should never give up and we should never turn back. If we are grounded in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, we will keep an eternal perspective.
Many throughout Christian (including the Latter-day Saints) history have assumed that the return was to be right around the corner and so far they have been wrong. It is my point of view that I will have to stand before the bar, whether it is as a result of Second Coming or death, and either way the things required to prepare are the same.
I have read the Crowther books (Key) and do not like them. There is to much on-substantiated material referenced. My favorite book in this vein is Elder McConkie's "Millennial Messiah", because he relies so extensively on the scriptures.
I live in Jackson County, Missouri and over the past 30 years there have been two waves of "gatherers", once in the 1970s and once in the early 1990s. The 1970s crew mostly moved to southern Missouri. A good portion of them left, but overall the Church continues to grow here in a steady, systematic way. In addition, it is fair to say that outside of a few stray comments, there is not a lot of talk about the "New Jerusalem" or Zion and Church culture is much like it is elsewhere throughout the middle and western part of the United States.
An interesting quote made by early Church leaders concerning the signs of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ:
"While you stand in the towers of the Temple and your eyes survey this glorious valley filled with cities and villages, occupied by tens and thousands of Latter-day Saints, you will then call to mind this visitation of President Young and his company. You will say: That was in the days when Presidents Benson and Maughan presided over us; that was before New York was destroyed by an earthquake. It was before Boston was swept into the sea, by the sea heaving itself beyond its bounds; it was before Albany was destroyed by fire; yea at that time you will remember the scenes of this day. Treasure them up and forget them not. President Young followed and said: 'What Brother Woodruff has said is revelation and will be fulfilled'."
(Deseret News, W Woodruff, August 1863)
Edited: LDS_forever on 2nd Oct, 2004 - 1:14am