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It's amazing, when talking about Israel you completely discounted international law or if you prefer international rules of conduct ie UN resolutions. But to justify the American sanctions against Iraq you use the non-compliance of UN resolutions. The US can't have it both ways, unless it wants to give up any credibility it has left on the international scene. Four countries, including Isreal have ignored more than 50 UN resolutions ( I will get the names of the other 3 ). Do you know what these 4 countries have in common? They are all good american allies, not a beep from the US, to the contrary, the US vetoed EVRY UN Security Council resolution aimed at Israel.
I have great respect for your opinions, but your going to have to come up with a better justification for the sanctions.
As for Cuba, there is no more Soviet Union it's time for the U.S to raise the sanctions.

Edited: MrB on 7th Apr, 2004 - 1:43am

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Mr. B I could not have said it better myself. Nighthawlk and I do not agree with this issue as much .
This is what I was trying to say from the begining. Only those countries who are allies of the US get away with ignoring the UN resolutions but when one country is not an US allie then the US is quick to point that out. Sorry but it's sickening (the hypocresy). The british government admitted that a week after the September 11th attack, Pres. Bush called Blair to seek 'assistance' in getting rid of Saddam Hussein and invade Iraq. So it's obvious to me that the so called war against terrorism was NOT the real reason of invading that country.

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Actually, you and I agree on this. Communism is defunct. Cuban communism is just petty and vicious. I would agree that the sanctions should be lifted. It might give Cuba a chance to overcome its addiction to one old man and his worn out philosophy.

We should keep the discussion of Israel in its own thread.

You do have a good point about the UN resolutions. I was trying to point out that the UN made these resolutions, each threating invasion or military action, obviously in bad faith.

Iraq had proven itself to be a danger to the world community. It had already invaded two countries, and killed hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions.

According to most left-leaning governments, especially yours, the US has NO credibility in the international scene. You all want us to fail, so that you (collectively, not personally) can say, "I told you so." When a leftist administration was in power in the US, you all fell all over yourselves agreeing with Clinton that Hussein was the biggest threat in the world. When Bush said it, you all screamed that he was just a warmonger.

You want to talk hypocrisy (yes the US has more than enough), lets discuss how Europe treated Iraq. But, oh, we already have.

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I am hesitant to post this here, but it is pertinent to the US situation regarding our actions in Iraq, now.

I am becoming an ardent blog reader, at least for a few certain blogs. One of them, Citizen Smash is a particularly articulate writer. Last weekend, he organized a counter-protest to an anti-war protest in San Diego. Here is a report of how it all went. I find it amusing.

Enough of that.

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Now for a serious question. Whether the US was right or wrong (or to what extent we were both) in going into Iraq, what do you all expect us to do now? I get the feeling that most of the forum participants who live outside the US would like us to just get out of the country as fast as possible. Is this your feelings? If so, what effect would this have on Iraq and the region? What effect would your preferred action have on world opinion?

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Well, you see, you all are there already and reading the news of the killings of US soldiers and civilians are a very tragic and sad thing! Idon't know Nighthawk, to be honest with you, like I said so many times (and I think US citizens cannot understand this fully because of obvious reasons of Patriotism that I deeply admire and respect), the US think is the 'world police' and that needs to stop. There are steps that need to be taken whether the US likes it or not, whether the UN functions properly or not. Anyhow, going back to the subject of your question, I don't think it would be wise right now for the US to leave Iraq, can you imagine? it would be a total chaos, more than it is now. What I would do different if I was the US? I would definetly make it a world issue in the sense of brining as many peacemakers soldiers from other countries (journalists in Iraq said there still a heavy US presence that it is not helping to cease the anger). Then I would try to 'please' the people as much as possible by getting everything in order (electricity, food, jobs, security, etc), then I would try to move towards the new government as soon as possible WITHOUT any US person involved within the new government. I would make people to choose the person they want rather than to choose a guy who was living in Florida for years and that it is obvious is 'well seen in the eyes of the US government. Those are the things I would do.

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From what I can see, there is very little "anger" about the US being there. Most of the people fighting against the US forces appear to be either Baathist leftovers (Fajullah) or Iranian managed Shiites.

At the same time, I agree completely that we need to stop being the "police" of the world. I am all for letting the UN get along with it, except for their little failures in Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. Whenever the UN wants something done, they ask us to do it - we have provided almost all the defense for the West for the last 58 years, and nobody else in the West can do it. Russia has enough problems of their own, and China isn't interested.

What good would it do to bring "peacekeepers" in? They aren't even allowed to defend themselves! It was peacekeeper that allowed Rwanda to happen.

I don't think we have any alternative at all to staying in Iraq until they have a proper government in place. To do ANYTHING else is to consign the Iraqi people to decades of war and abuse.

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Okay then more troops from other countries, yes, I know there are troops from other countries but the number is not significant compared to those from the US. I think a more international presence will create less conflict.

Little failures? I am guessing you are trying to be sarcastic about it because for me those were not little but big failures!. I agree with you in a lot of things about the UN.

With all respect, I think they have no alternative to clean up what they messed up in the first place.

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With all due respect Nighthawk, to believe there is very little anger in Iraq and to think that only isolated groups are figthing the U.S is being a little naive. To put it bluntly, all hell has broken loose in Iraq and the U.S has a major mess on its hands.
In the last few days the war in Iraq has migrated from the US battling the remnants of the Saddam era to fighting the people of Iraq. What was one of the sparks that ignited all this ?? The anti-democratic shut down of an anti-american newsletter by the US.
As a result, of the events of the few days, the easy solutions have dissipated. As war progresses, more and more innocent women and children will be killed and the hatred towards the American will increase substantially. What to do ? lets hope that the americans can put an end to the fighting SOON and start talking to the real people of Iraq and not those Florida puppets.