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JB is right. Hostage taking has a long history in the middle east, and it has all come from one place - Iran. Starting in 1979 with the US embassy, then through Lebanon and Israel, all of the hostage situations have been done by Iranians or Iranian fronts (Hamas, Hezbollah). Whenever there has been significant media exposure, it has continued and intensified.

Likely, until something is done about Iran, we will see this to continue, with the citizens of less responsive countries being released, and highly responsive countries, (Germany, France, Britain, US, Australia, Japan) being held, tortured, and killed.

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This is such a terrible situation (the innocent civilians being held and killed!) now how we solve this situation?.

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Yes it is terrible,in the last week over 600 Iraqis killed, 1200 injured. In addition 7000 plus Iraqis are being detained by US forces. It should be noted that these detainees have not been charged with anything and can not receive visits from relatives . As a result the Iraqi patriots have resorted to kidnapping and possibly the killing of american contract workers, which is sad.

Unfortunately I do not see an end to the violence. One would think, the US would start to re-assess its brute force policy, but NO, for now the question the Americans are struggling with, is to send more troops to Iraq. The US also want to give a good lesson to any Iraqi freedom fighter who dares oppose US interest. The US military has order the capture death or alive of a young Shiite cleric who does not accept the occupation of HIS land by foreign invaders. If the US kills this guy, I it will be a major mistake, but here again, it seems the US answer to a potential backlash is more brute force ie kill more Iraqis.

Sorry for being so blunt, but after listening to Bush last night ...........

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I'm sorry but I disagree with you, anybody that goes and kidnap innocent civilians is not an Iraqi freedom fighter but a coward terrorist in my humble opinion. I could understand their anger of land invasion but I cannot call these people fighters because they are criminals, murderers, terrorists and need to be stop now! now, the point is how???.

The contract workers are dead and remember that people from other countries such as Germany and Japan, between others, have been kidnapped also.

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Yes you are right, the deliberate killing of civilians is wrong. But when the Coalition forces drop 500lb bombs, they know there will be collateral damage ie innocent civilians killed is this also not wrong.??? Is it justified? Why is it different? How do the Iraqi people see these killing ?? As necessary collateral damage ?? I' would not think so. Life is as valuable on both sides. I'm sure Iraqi mothers feel as much pain as American moms.

I intentionally used the word freedom fighter, simply to draw attention to what the perception to who the bad guy may be from the other side of the conflict.

Do go back to my original and primary point and that is, the US must re-assess the wisdom of a brute policy to accomplish it's objectives. To believe you can use force to impose a US style culture and value system on a 4000 year old civilization is totally unrealistic and fundamentally wrong.

Instead of trying to make everything American why not try to live in harmony with all that is differences.

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I know that you all don't just want a post full of links to other people's opinions. However, there are times when someone else says what I wish I could say, if I was a little bit more articulate. This is one of those times.

Mr.B, you know that I disagree with you in the strongest terms. The people we are fighting against in Iraq are NOT insurgents, not freedom fighters, not civilized. They are barbarians who use barbaric tactics to attain barbaric goals. Most of them are Iranians (on the Shi'a side) and Baathists (on the Sunni side). They are either funded and equiped by Iran or Syria.

Some of you who write on this topic seem to be saying that the US is the barbaric country. You all know that I have severe reservations about the fact that we went into Iraq. But our actions since going in have been exemplary.

As Serenity points out in the article I linked, the Clinton/Communist News Network (CNN) made great pains of telling the enemy that the US would be scrupulous about avoiding damage to religious structures. So, the enemy thought it was great fun to attack, then run back into the mosque, knowing that they would be safe there. CNN forgot to tell them that by doing so, they would change the mosque from a religious structure into a valid target of war. Under those circumstances, the mosques get destroyed, along with anyone inside them.

Yes, there is collateral damage when we drop bombs. Therefore, we use precision guided bombs and missles, and do everything possible to avoid civilian casualties. But the barbarians hide behind the women and children, knowing this. The barbarians target civilians and women and children, whenever possible, because they know that by targeting the Marines, they aren't going to be as successful.

In Fallujah, they thought that by mingling with the civilian population, they would be safe. So the Marines went in, and anyone who fought was killed. So, yes, over 600 "insurgents" died last weekend, and 2000 were wounded. They think that they can be barbarians with impunity, and they were wrong.

You think the US is all wrong in its fight against radical Islamists who use terrorism as a primary tactic (terrorism is the tactic of targetting noncombatants). So, tell me, what have YOU done about terrorism? It is easy to sit in Canada, San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, France, or Norway and criticize those who are doing. It is much more difficult to actually do something about it.

I physically placed my own body between the Evil Empire and you, to protect you. I faced the fire, and was willing to place myself within it in 1991. In fact, where I served, Iraqi "insurgents" shot up a bus with USAF personnel in it, at 2:00 in the morning, when they knew that nobody else would shoot back at them.

I left my family, with no idea when or if I would return, to face the Iraqi "insurgents" and "freedom fighters" that you lionize. My orders placed me a long ways from the front, supporting long-range aircraft, but people in my unit were under fire.

I tried to enlist in the Guard or Reserves, but due to another sacrifice that I had made for one I love, I am medically ineligible. Otherwise, I would probably be in Iraq at this moment, again placing myself in the fire, fighting against the barbarians so that you, oh so civilized, can criticize those who are at least trying to do something about it.

Do I think you are anti-American. Darn tootin'. You look down on us, and we have protected you for the last 50+ years. Yes, Canada has sent small contingents to various UN debacles. But you have a mighty small military, and thus have GDP to waste on socialism because the US protects you. You all know that if anyone attacks you, it will be USAF bombers and US Marines in there kicking butts and takin' names, driving the enemy away from your shores.

Again, what are you doing to make sure that there isn't another 9/11?

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Violence just produces more violence and the brute force foreign policy adopted by the BUSH administration will not end that violence or make the world a safer place. To the contrary, it will just cultivate more hatred. Surely you do not believe that killing any body and every body perceived as an enemy of the US is the answer?.
I simply believe that brain power is far more affective in the long run than fire power.

As for me a Canadian, when in my early 20's I packsacked Europe, the Canadian flag on our packsack. As Canadians we were loved and accepted every where we went. It was not uncommon for american kids to also have the canadian emblem on their packsacks. Does this not tell it all that all.

If you don't create terrorism you won't have to fight it.

The last thing I want to do is to get into a, you anti-american me not type of debate. I think I have been consistent in my thinking. I do not believe in a foreign policy strictly based on brute force. nor do I think that a majority of americans do. However if disagreeing which such policy is anti-american, so be it.

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At this point, I only can hope that this war end up as soon as possible because I hate to see people suffering and dying (from both sides), specially children. This is such a sad thing!, looking at the television news and watching all those children injured by this war makes me really angry towards us (adults) who seem not to understand that the best way or only way to resolve a conflict is not by shooting, bombing or killing.