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Well, I think we reach a point where to discuss whether it is right or not this war against Iraq doesn't make any sense because the US and other countries are already there, now what? Bush and Blair confirmed the date on june but it seems too close to me, do you all think they meant that date or they just said it in order to calm down the nervousness and anger in the world about this whole situation?.

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No, I think that they will follow through on the June 30 deadline. But the Iraqis won't be ready.

I think they are trying to curry favour with countries such as France, Germany, and Canada. I think it will be a disaster.

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curry favour? I don't understand what you mean.

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All these countries (and leftists) that have been demanding that the US get out, that it is only about the oil, etc, won't be able to say that when the US actually turns it back to Iraqis, even if they aren't ready.

It is all about perception. It doesn't matter how much good is coming out of the invasion, nor does it matter what the Iraqi people really think. Since the French people would hate it if the US invaded their socialist paradise, as would Canada, and the Chinese shudder to think of what the expansion of freedom can mean to their current tenuous hold on their people, the sight of a very unstable democracy in Iraq might just make them all shut up about how evil and despicable the US is for freeing those people.

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Or they may say how come the US is getting out of Iraq when they didn't not finish cleaning up the mess they make in the first place.
Now, the reason I said this is because the price Bush was willing to pay in order to go and invade Iraq is very high, we are seeing the consequences now and we will continue seeing them in the future. No matter what the US do from now on, everybody around the world will put the judgmental finger on them and say that they are wrong (even if the US is not). I think it is an extremely high price, but it seems that Bush think quiet opposite because if he wins the election, Iraq is definetly not the end of story.

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You are right. It is a no-win situation for the US now.

I do believe that it was right for the US to go in for several reasons. I also think that our people there are doing an incredible job. Yet on every side, we get conflicting expectations. Just look at what Mr.B has written here. He keeps saying that the US must get out of Iraq NOW. Yet that is an absolutely sure way to ensure that there will be years of intense violence and civil war.

Whatever your views of the rightness of the US actions, is it really in the best interest of Iraq or Europe or the US or Britian or Canada for the US to pull out now? How about if we just turn the whole country over to Iran and let it be. After all, it is mostly Shiite, and Iran has shown that it is a great government for Shiites, and extremely tolerant of other religions, right? Yet for the US to pull out now, the most likely scenario would be for the terrorist sponsors in Tehran to wield the power in Iraq within a couple of years.

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Mr.B - It seems like the US is going to try a 'new' tatic even though I am sure they hate it:

NEGOTIATIONS: U.S. TRYING 'NEW' TACTIC TO CALM TROUBLED IRAQ
After two weeks of bloody battles and tense standoffs, the struggle over Iraq's future focused on a table set up on a dusty street in the city of Fallujah.

American officials or their surrogates are at the bargaining table to resolve a host of issues despite President Bush's assertion that the insurgents are terrorists and the long-standing U.S. policy of not negotiating with terrorist groups.

Ref. Deseret News

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Yes, it's encouraging to see that the US is willing to try out negotiating. But I'm not very optimistic on the outcome. As you mentioned, the US probably hates the idea and therefore no real good faith involved. Furthermore, being able to negotiate requires a special skill which I'm note sure in this particular case the US has. Negotiating is a give and take process made up of compromises and I think the only compromise the US is willing to make is to try to minimize civilian casualties . It's very difficult for a powerful military to accept compromises and with a guy like Bush as the supreme commander ??? real scary

I will take this opportunity to clarify a few points

Do I support the war on tourism ? - Yes and Canada has been working with the US
Do I believe the invasion of Iraq was justified ? - NO It had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. This morning on meet the press (US news program) John Kerry confirmed that Saddam's Iraq had NO links to Al-Qaeda
Should the US pull out? YES but not before cleaning up the major mess they created.
Do I believe the US can normalize things in Iraq ? Not without international assistance.
Will the US get international assistance? Only if the US agrees that it will no longer call all the shots. In other words the UN will not be subservient to the US.