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So the Spanish are pulling out... what I am interested to see is if the terrorists in Spain stop what they are doing because of it. On another note the US is going to find it even more difficult now without the extra help they once had. More US soldiers have died in the past two weeks than they did since the war began.
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Wasn't it just last week, after Zapata promised to pull out all Spanish troops and disassociate with the US, that they found another Al-Qaeda bomb near Madrid?
Appeasement doesn't work.
Came across a link to President Bush's rousing speach in September, 2001. Here it is.
Just a few minor quotes from it.
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| Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated. (Applause.) |
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| They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa. |
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| Americans are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will direct every resource at our command -- every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war -- to the disruption and to the defeat of the global terror network. This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat. Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. |
At the time, most of the West, including Canada, Germany, and France, applauded his remarks. Of course, it wasn't going to hurt them at all if the US invaded Afghanistan, or placed sanctions on the Sudan, or sent strongly worded notes to the governments of Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and Syria.
Now, the war is in full swing. States with a long history of funding and supporting militant Islamists who use terrorism as a tactical tool are starting to rethink this - especially since the biggest and baddest of them has fallen. Thousands of Iraqis who want to return to an oppressive regime (either Sunni Baathist or Shia Islamist) have "thrown themselves on the spears" of the US military. They won't be exporting terrorism any more. Thousands more of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers have emigrated to Iraq and also crushed themselves on the US military. These have come from Iran, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim states. None of these will be flying planes into skyscrapers, nor will they be wearing explosive vests into crowded shopping malls in Minneapolis, Boston, Toronto, or Paris (let alone Tel Aviv).
Read the President's address. Ponder his message. It was pertinent then, it is pertinent now. Militant Islamists are not only focused on the US, they are focused on every other country that embraces Western values, whether Christian or Secular Humanist.
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More news on Iraq. Apparently this "popular uprising" led by Al-Sadr in Najaf isn't quite so "popular" as most people would like to think.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20040...22028-3117r.htm
The Washington Times reports:
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| But three days spent inside Najaf - within a stone's throw of the golden-domed Imam Ali Mosque and Sheik al-Sadr's well-guarded headquarters - revealed almost no backing from residents for the 30-year-old cleric's armed confrontation with coalition forces. |
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| what I am interested to see is if the terrorists in Spain stop what they are doing because of it. |
Not at all! I don't think they will stop since long before September 11th Spain had serious problems with terrorist attacks.
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| Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. |
This is frightening, and we are in deed in the last days. I don't see this world getting any better and if the USA will continue persecuting the terrorists in every nation then we are in the end.
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| They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa. |
I know this is not the religious board but we know that the jews will suffer greately before the Second Coming so I personally know there is nothing that Bush or anybody can do, it is not lack of Faith but all this is written.
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This is frightening, and we are in deed in the last days. I don't see this world getting any better and if the USA will continue persecuting the terrorists in every nation then we are in the end. |
Are you saying that you want the US to STOP prosecuting the war on terrorists? Just let them get away with bombings in Madrid, Bali, NY, Oklahoma City, and everywhere else? Would you prefer to just let the wicked continue on their wicked way?
As for the Jews, just because there are prophecies about the tribulations that they must face, I don't think that justifies anyone in either contributing to those tribulations or not doing everything possible to halt them.
Another little piece I found today. I can't link to the original article as it requires registration, but the highlight is that retired Gen. Tommy Franks puts a completely different light on the subject of the Iraqi invasion. You might remember that Gen. Franks was the man who led the war in Iraq.
He says that not only did President Bush NOT immediately start to plan on invading Iraq, but when he did broach the subject, he expressed a great desire to avoid it.
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| "He told me he hoped not one American boot ever touches Iraq except by invitation," Franks said. |
As Tim said, it is a voice of reason, but who is listening?
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Absolutely sick! Twenty schoolchildren among more than 60 killed in Basra, Iraq, car bombings, police say.
Ref. https://CNN.com
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| Are you saying that you want the US to STOP prosecuting the war on terrorists? Just let them get away with bombings in Madrid, Bali, NY, Oklahoma City, and everywhere else? Would you prefer to just let the wicked continue on their wicked way? |
You misinterpreted my words, this is NOT what I tried to say. I was just saying that if the US will continue attacking those countries where the terrorists are, then from now on, there will not be such thing as 'peace', it was JUST a comment NOT a critisism at all.
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| As for the Jews, just because there are prophecies about the tribulations that they must face, I don't think that justifies anyone in either contributing to those tribulations or not doing everything possible to halt them. |
Of course not!, again, I was just mentioned the fact we know beforehand what is going to happen, that's all.
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I found an extremely good article discussing the rationale for our involvement in Iraq, and the some of the consequences involved.
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| I"ve heard several people say "You can't solve this through military action alone" and I agree completely. But beyond the military action I think we differ on supplementary measures that need to be taken. I get the impression that many of the Anti-war, Anti-Bush crowd seem to think that this means we should also try to change the way terrorists look at the US. It sounds good"¦ if we could do this we would have very few problems with terrorism. Of course, I"m not sure how we would do this. Other than a return to a total Isolationist foreign policy, and possibly a total conversion to Islam, I"m not sure what would satisfy a group like Al Qaeda. And realistically, even that would just send them in search of a new target for their organization"¦ most likely the state of Israel. |
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| The reality is bigger than anyone has yet realized. This is the Third World War. By the time it is over, we will be lucky if the casualties are not in the quintuple digits. We need to eradicate the terrorists"¦ all of them. If you align yourself with a group who uses barbarism as a political tool, you will die. World leaders need to understand that if you have a terrorist network in your country, you have six months to destroy it"¦ and then we are coming in. People say that we create terrorists with our heavy handed methods. Wrong. Terrorists create terrorists with their recruitment methods and fiery rhetoric. There is a certain amount of status in being a warrior in any culture. But the truth is, if most people have a choice between economic prosperity and certain death"¦ most will choose the prosperity. Once terrorists start dying off in droves"¦ I strongly suspect it will be harder for them to recruit. This is even more effective when combined with humanitarian aid and a strong PSYOPS campaign getting the truth out there to the Middle East about the contradictions between (what they say is) true Islam and the terrorist brand of perverted Islam. The consequences of failure in this fight are severe. If we don't want to live in a world where the political tool of choice is not the negative TV ad, but rather the car bomb and the envelope full of anthrax or ricin, we had better realize that there can be no quarter. We still need to take the moral high ground when dealing with civilians. But when dealing with enemy combatants, there must be no hesitation. Cease fire my donkey. Don't wait for them to fortify their positions or come to us. Go in after them and kill every last one. If they take up arms against Civilization, they must pay a heavy and immediate price. There can be no tolerance or second chances. |
I am not trying to run anyone down. But the pure and simple fact is, the Middle East is like the Old West in the US. When people think they can get away with barbarity, they do it. When they learn it doesn't pay, they stop. The US has more experience dealing with this type of behaviour than anyone else in the world for the last two centuries. Trinidad & Tobago, Canada, Kuwait, and a host of other countries have been sheltered, to a very large extent. Britain learned their lessons at one time, but have forgotten them. France did also, but they haven't forgotten (think about Chad and Algeria), they just don't believe those lessons apply to anyone else.
Countries that have had to deal with significant fights to establish the rule of law, such as Poland, Britain and Australia, see and understand that it is vital for the lawless, barbaric elements to learn that when you disregard the laws of civilization, there are consequences. That is what Iraq is about. And that is why the barbarians are so worried about it.
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