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Mr. B -

I find it quite offensive that you are willing to sit and judge all Americans and what all Americans believe. I think any compassionate person would care about the well-being of the Iraqis and there are, in fact, quite a few compassionate Americans. I think that your negativity makes you lose credibility yourself. There was a legitimate reason for the US to go to war, and that was that Saddam was not complying with the UN agreements, and so they were a potential danger to everyone.

Thank you for your comments Nighthawk. There is so much good going on in Iraq, and it frustrates me that people continue to be super-critical and negative about the war. It's started already, it's been going on for quite some time now, and there's not a whole lot anyone can do to stop it now. The best thing for right now is to let the troops finish their job.

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Thanks moo. Sometimes I feel like I am all alone here. But I won't quit.

Here's one reason why I won't.

Overall, the US military have been incredibly forgiving and gentle with the Iraqi people. We are sending millions of dollars worth of donated food, supplies, medicine, toys, and other items, through individual military members, to help the Iraqi people get on their feet. Thousands of Iraqi children are enjoying the first bit of pure fun in their lives. The stories of the humane, joyous service that GIs are offering to Iraqi people fill the internet.

Yet we have cases like Nick Berg and Fallujah. It is now almost 3 years since 9/11.

The time is going to come, where the GIs are going to get hardened and angry. The US is starting to really get angry now, especially when we see that the Muslim media is seriously trying to make it out that the CIA killed Nick Berg. Al Jazeera and other Muslim media is becoming a laughingstock here.

If this type of atrocity continues (and is there any reason to think it won't?), it won't go well for the Iraqis who fight against the GIs. They will begin to take less prisoners. They will be less careful about protecting the mosques and other cultural parts of Iraq.

I also worry about what it will do to the people in the US. We rallied to protect and cherish the Muslims in our midst after 9/11. In some places, "infidels" went out into the streets to guard mosques, to make sure that no stupid acts against Muslims would occur. And extremely few did.

But actions like those taken against Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl will start to change that. Eventually, even the "alphabet soup" media (ABCBSCNNBCMSNBC) will start to hold Muslims to a different light. So far, many of us see the alphabet soup group of being in bed with Al Jazeera, as being apologists for the terrorists, especially in Israel. But if this type of thing continues, even that can change.

We are in Iraq. All the "insurrgencies", kidnappings, IEDs, car-bombings, homicide/suicide bombings, and everything else will only make us stay longer. If these people want us out, they need to settle down and make peace. Once they do, we can leave.

Read the article I linked to. He said it better than I can. You might also read the message following it, about how William T. Sherman, of US Civil War fame might have dealt with Fallujah.

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Sorry Moo, but I think it is very easy to say the words you have said but the reality of what's going on in this war, is far from being positive.

Forgiving? forgiven about what?. You are mentioning all the things that the US did and is doing for the Iraqi people but you need to understand something Nighthawk that it seems to me very few people realize. It was the US who decided to attack Iraq, it was the US who keep bombing them, it was the US who decided to do all those things...it doesn't matter whether we agree the reason or not, the point is: if you enter a country and start bombing it, what you LEAST can do is provide and re-build the things YOU have destroyed in the first place, so really the US is not doing any favour to the Iraqi people in my humble eyes, but just doing what it needs to be done.

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And, what you are ignoring is that every day more and more information is coming out about the ties between Al Qaeda and Saddam. There is more and more information about WMDs in Iraq.

As you well know, I am not comfortable with the way we went in. But there were good reasons, and there still are. 300,000+ bodies found in mass graves. Merchants whose hands were removed, just for being merchants (and removed poorly). Rape rooms. Children murdered in front of their parents. Women raped, tortured, murdered in front of their children and husbands.

Following the US invasion, for the first time, people are able to learn about the outside world. For the first time, all the schools are open.

For the first time, Iraq is going to field an independent Olympic team.

There are bad things going on. But this is war. War does bad things. But good things are coming from it.

Read some of the Iraqi blogs. You are actually transferring YOUR emotions and feelings about war onto the Iraqi people, and ignoring what the vast majority of them think about the situation.

Fallujah. The IEDs. The use of women and children as shields. The use of pregnant women as living bombs. The use of mosques and other holy sites as weapons storage.

Edited: Nighthawk on 15th May, 2004 - 2:11am

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Nighthawk, anybody who believes that the US attacked Iraq for humanitarian reasons, would believe anything. The massif bombing of Iraq by the U.S. resulted in over 3,000 innocent people being killed and over 12,000 injured(children, pregnant women etc..). Total destruction of vital infrastructure (water, elec.) but amazingly not one US bullet touch the Ministry of Oil. On the ground the U.S. soldiers rounded up 000's of civilians and detained them for no VALID reason and in many cases as we are finding out today many were tortured ( using a broom handle to s.... is NOT a simple hazing party has you tend to m,ake us believe)Today without any respect for the values, culture and beliefs of others U.S. marines, tanks, gunships have entered 2 Holy cities and they are literally destroying everthing in their path.

Yes the decapitation of 1 US citizen is terrible, but far more terrible is the pain and suffering imposed on the people of Iraq by the invasion of Iraq and subsequent torture of their people.. I don't know where you are getting your info about the Iraqis being happy with the US occupation but it sound like a lot of American made propaganda to me.

No way will the US convert a 4000 year old culture to a BigMac. The more I follow the US actions and justifications of what you guys are doing in Iraq. the more I'm convinced that this occupation is no more than a bully imposing it's ways in a very imperialistic fashion.

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Many people think that such a war is bad. even though was is never good but if you look at WW1 AND WWll you will notice that the people thought it was a bad idea to stop the terror only until it hit their home land. and thus the disease spread and grew until many millions died instead of just afew thousand.
Sadam and some others need to be stopped befor he became to much of a hitler or that pot person in south east aisa. and with the threat of a wepon of mas destruction in the hands of someone who is not afraid to use it. then the WORLD WAR to follow would be where billions might have died.
Sadam was also given the opportunity to show people many times that he did not have W MD's but he rejected them. if he would have accepted them he still would be in power and the people would still be dieing by the thousands at his hands and his sons as well..as well as any co hort opperations. I think maybe he didn't want the world to know of the mass killings he did so he covered them up and kicked out the observers.

you can in short say if you are sick you need to find a cure and take a medicine befor the sickness spreads. and let the medicine kill the bad spots and try and save the good. or rehabilitate the weakened area. its hard but neccessary.

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I was just wondering... what is the update with Saddam? The US wanted to get him so bad for info, he would be the key to the mysteries of WMD, mass death, etc... well now that they have him where is all the info? Don't you feel it just a bit suspicious that nothing is being said about him?

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The Execution of Nick Berg

Could all of this be a conspiracy? Here are some items found online:

1. Nick Berg's company is not registered or found in the claimed US state
2. Why is Nick Berg in a orange prison uniform - same worn in US controlled prisons
3. In the video of the execution which is called, 'Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi slaughters an American' the man in the middle is supposed to be Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, yet he wears a mask?
4. Berg's executioner can be seen wearing a gold ring on his right hand - not a usual thing of a fundamentalist muslim

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