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Here is a bit of news - from Iraq, from an Iraqi.
https://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/archives/...965685940938788
I really like to read this blog. It is the words and views of Iraqi men, living in Baghdad.
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| As friends, conversation went among us nice and rational; there was optimism and there was constructive criticism with some exceptions. Our friendly meeting included two generations; ours and my father's (the generation that ruled Iraq for 40 years and took the chance of three generations without allowing any to take its place). As the discussion heated up , one from the old generation burst out saying "nothing happened but the worst, the war destroyed us, our fortune was robbed and the ruins are everywhere. We haven't seen in our lives a situation worse than this..." and went on in a criticism that was so bitter to reach the grade of despair which as I said I"ve always considered as a destructive attitude that achieves nothing but hindering, delaying and even destroying our efforts to pursue our future plans. He was parroting Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiyah. I became really angry, however I waited for him to finish then I asked him if I could answer. "Sure I want to see how you"re going to answer" he replied, putting a challenging face. |
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| Philippines government says troop pullout from Iraq underway BAGHDAD (AP) - The Philippines worked Friday to meet the demands of kidnappers holding a Filipino truck driver, announcing it was withdrawing the head of its humanitarian mission in Iraq and a further 10 troops. The Filipino soldiers drove over the border into Kuwait in three vehicles about 8 p.m., said Lt. Col. Hashem Abdullah, an Iraqi officer at the border town of Safwan. The troops were seen off by a delegation of U.S. troops, he said. Their exit reduces the Philippines' troop strength in Iraq to 32, said Philippines Foreign Secretary Delia Albert, who said the head of the humanitarian mission also would be withdrawn. The pullout came despite criticism from the United States and Australia, who said the Philippines was sending the wrong signal to terrorists |
ref https://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/20...-withdraw_x.htm
In my opinion, this is sending the wrong signal to the kidnappers in that their actions can influence countries to move out of Iraq. I understand that the Phillipine government is looking out for the interest of their soldiers, but they should also realize that by joining the coalition, they took the risks associated with it. This move just opens up the door even further for guerilla type tactics and kidnappings. Some may argue that the door was opened when the coalition first set foot on Iraq, but that argument has already been beat to death in this discussion.
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Post Date: 18th Jul, 2004 - 7:20pm / Post ID: #
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According to the terrorists: 'It keeps getting better'
JUSTICE MINISTER SURVIVES IRAQ ATTACK
A suicide bomber rammed his car into a convoy carrying the Iraqi justice minister to work Saturday in Baghdad. The official was not hurt, but two of his bodyguards and three other people were killed. A U.S. soldier and at least four other Iraqis were also killed in violence throughout the country.
Ref. https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C...78084%2C00.html
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ref https://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/07/18/...main/index.html
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| BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. launched airstrikes on the city of Fallujah Sunday, according to a military spokesman, which an Iraqi official said left 14 people dead and three wounded. Khamis Hussein Ali, Health Ministry official for Iraq's Anbar province, said the casualties had been from the U.S. airstrikes. |
There were no details on the nationalities of the 14 who were killed, and we can only hope that there were no civilians involved. I suppose with all the random attacks that have occured against US troops since the war ended, that we were forced to take some matters into our own hands. Hopefully details to come will shed some light on the nature of this attack and what was accomplished.
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Just a couple of notes here:
Omar talks about the legitimacy (or not) of the US action in Iraq.
https://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/archives/...017700409689999
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| You cannot tell a man that saving him and his family from torture, humiliation and death was a mistake and it should"ve not been done because it's illegal. This is almost an insult to Iraqis to hear someone saying that this war was illegal. It means that our suffering for decades meant nothing and that formalities and the stupid rules of the UN (that rarely function) are more important than the lives of 25 million people. . . . . To provide more insight about the reactions of Iraqis to this issue, here are some translated comments from the BBC Arabic forum: "The report of Lord Butler reflects the respect for the laws in a country that has no written constitution. From my point ov view I think that the report is incomplete because it didn't mention a (thank you) to Mr. Blair and Mr. Bush for doing this honorable job which is toppling the pervert dictator and crushing the iron security grip for the worst tyrant in the world. The soldiers who died in Iraq gave their lives as tributes for freedom. Thanks to all the soldiers who risked and lost their lives for the sake of others" freedom." Mohammed Abdul Jabbar-Baghdad. "The world is busy discussing the points that should"ve forbidden the war. Iraqis were dying and no one bothered himself to ask about the "legal position" when Saddam was murdering Iraqis in thousands. This issue has many aspects: first of all it's a proof for the democracy of the west that doesn't allow to rush into wars without reasonable excuses, unlike the Arab regimes that goes into a war just because the leader wants to be the "hero of the Arab Nation". Another point is that we, in Iraq believe that Saddam and his co-butchers were the real WMDs. Iraqis are benefitting from the mistakes of the British intelligence, so we thank them for this mistake!" Haider Muhyeddine-Najaf. . . . . " If the British and American Intelligence have made a mistake and this mistake lead to the decision of the war on Saddam and liberation of Iraq from the hands of what was probably the worst tyranny ever, then what a wonderful mistake! The truth is, Blair was brave in his decision and defied all difficulties in this decision. How can anyone imagine that this was wrong? They gave us back our lost freedom and dignity" Fakherlddine Sharif-Iraq. I join my voice to theirs. How could it have been wrong!? |
I love to read what Omar has to say. Go read it.
The Daily Tribune, in the Philippines had an article earlier about how the governments of the Philippines and Malaysia paid $6 million to the abductors in Iraq. See what Michelle Malkin has to say about it all. Her parents came from the Philippines, and so she is deeply steeped in the culture. And she is hopping mad about this.
So, now we have Spain, who changed their government because of terrorist activities (appeasing the terrorists), and now the Philippines not only appease, but also pay off the terrorists. How wonderful for the rest of the world. I guess that crime (and terror) does pay - sometimes.
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No one disputes the regime of Saddam Hussein was a murderous tyranny, and that the Iraqi people suffered terribly under it.
I'm sure Omar's gratitude can be multiplied thousands of times. So could the Iraqi anger on display in other blogs. Thousands of civilians have died as a direct result of this war, and the ensuing terrorist violence (another unintended consequence of the invasion) continues to wreak havoc on Iraqi lives.
But all of this is essentially besides the point when considering whether the war was justified.
It was not justified in terms of self defense, because Iraq had no hand in the attack on our country and posed no imminent threat. In a broader context we can debate whether this war has made us safer, or will in the long run. It could very well make us LESS safe.
One thing we know for certain: it has been very costly to our troops and our treasury. Now that the Bush administration's rationale for invading Iraq (WMD and alliance with al Qaeda) has fallen apart, the tendency has been to justify war on humanitarian grounds.
Well then, this has been an incredibly costly foreign aid program. In dollars alone we are spending more per month in Iraq than the $3 billion we give annually to Israel. How many Americans would have supported this expenditure (and all its related costs -- human and otherwise) in order to help the Iraqi people?
The current spin is to characterize this war as bad intelligence with a good result. But to believe that you have to ignore all the bad results and how the available intelligence was misrepresented and hyped in the rush to war.
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| because Iraq had no hand in the attack on our country and posed no imminent threat |
How can you make a statement like that when the UN inspectors themselves could not be that definite? In their reports, they never definitively said that Iraq did not pose a threat, or that they did not have WMD. I think it is great that we all take certain positions to defend/blame why the US invaded Iraq, but to make a statement that Iraq posed no threat is simply naive. Don't get me wrong MartinEden, I am not saying you are a naive person, because you have gone into great lengths in this thread and others to state your position very well. But it is simply that, a position, an opinion. Keep it at that, don't make it seem like your opinion is and should be obvious to everyone else.
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