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The Mesopotamian has a few things to say about the WMDs and the fuss about them.
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| I have been listening to the report about the WMD's by Mr. David Kay. Now, all of you in the West must know that as far as we, the Iraqis, are concerned, we care very little that stocks of WMD's existed or not at the time of liberation. For us Saddam and his regime were in themselves, the most lethal WMD that cost our people hundreds of thousands of victims not to mention the destruction of the economy and the very fabric of society in our afflicted country. That regime was a dead end for our people and with its continuation there was no hope whatsoever for the future. Mr. David Kay did mention something about this, and he should know, since he spent so much time in Iraq and has intimate knowledge of the situation. Saddamism is a cancer that we have yet to recover from. Western intervention lead by the U.S.A. was a God send to us, despite all the pain and misery that accompanied the operation and the repercussions that continue to rock the process of recuperation and rebirth of the nation. The U.S. soldiers are bravely standing in the thick of the turmoil and contributing with their blood and sweat not to mention the treasure of their land, towards curing us from the remaining ulcers of the disease after having performed the main surgery which no one else even dared even to think of. |
There is quite a bit more. I know that a lot of people have been convinced by the MSM that the Iraqis all hate the US, but that is not true. This is just one example of what the Iraqi people think about the whole situation.
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Post Date: 9th Oct, 2004 - 7:46am / Post ID: #
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Well this certainly has certainly been an interesting thread. It's not often that you get to read 63 pages spanning 18 months. I will condense my reply because if I don't the forum watchdog will bark at me for making it too long.
Reasons for invading Iraq.
We invaded because we were told Iraq was in breach of U.N. resolutions and had WMD's and were a threat.
This is absolute hypocracy since U.S, Briton, Israel,India,Pakistan,Ussr.......the list goes on, are all in breach of resolutions in regard to WMD
How did we know he had them?
Intelligence reports stated he had WMD's
Well of course Bush thought Saddam had WMD's because when Saddam was America's little buddy, they supplied him with them.
No WMD's found in Iraq
Supposedly no WMD's have been found in Iraq
What are you talking about? There are literally thousands of WMD's in Iraq. The only problem is that they're not Saddams. That's right. The "Coalition Of The Killing" have been using shells and bombs which contain "Depleted Uranium" which are classed by the U.N as WMD's and are internationally banned. Radiation levels recorded in Baghdad are 2000 times the considered safe levels. Yes, we have liberated the Iraqi people and they are now free to live in a radioactive battlefield. DU has a half life of 4000 yerars. Great.
Iraqi's are better off
Some people claim that Iraq's are overjoyed at the U.S presence in Iraq
Well just look at the comments made in this thread by Darius. He is serving there and does not agree. The fact he didn't continue posting may be because the guy is dead. Truck drivers are an easy target there.
Saddams Capture
Why has Saddam not shed any information
The Saddam they have in custody is not really Saddam. He is a double. This is stated by his wife in front of Russian representitives and by the photographic evidence.(I'll give you a clue:Saddam did not have an overbight) The same can be said of his sons, supposedly killed by American troops.(clue:look at the ears)
Illegal War
We went in because it was the "right" thing to do
Kofi Annan has stated that the war and resulting occupation of Iraq is illegal under U.N guidelines. Bush, Blair, Howard, The former Spanish gov. and the rest of the leaders of the "Coalition of the Killing" should be arrested immediately and tried in the international courts as murderers, just like Milosevic.
Hostages
Beheading of people is so barbaric
Well let me just say if my country was being liberated by an invading nation who was indiscriminately killing my family and friends and calling them "insurgents" I too would be taking hostages and killing them. The reason the put them in orange overalls is to represent the prisoners at camp x-ray. Held without charge or trial. Hey, at least the Iraqi's don't torture the prisoners like the U.S. does and notice the people they're executing aren't soldiers. No, these people are soldiers of fortune. At the moment these people working in Iraq are earning more than a thousand dollars U.S per day. They know the risks. Personally, my life is worth more than $500 000 bucks a year, even if I have to live in poverty.
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| Well this certainly has certainly been an interesting thread. It's not often that you get to read 63 pages spanning 18 months. |
I am glad you did, as it gives a good feel for a topic before replying, especially one like the War in Iraq. There is actually a first half to this thread (now locked) that was based on our opinions before the invasion.
Well I have read through what you have said, but it would we good if you can surmise your whole perspective of it. I gather that you are then against the war and that you feel the affair is simply orchestrated to give the US or specifically Bush more money in his / their pocket?
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Post Date: 9th Oct, 2004 - 3:46pm / Post ID: #
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| There is actually a first half to this thread |
I might read it another day because it took me ages just to read through the second half.
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| but it would we good if you can surmise your whole perspective of it. |
Well the way I see it this has turned into a battle between David and Goliath, and we all know how that story ended. Before the forces went in it was stated that the worst thing that could happen is for the conflict to become urban warfare, and thats exactly what has happened. The "Coalition of the Killing" ran in guns blazing without enough planning, and now we are suffering the consequences(or at least the poor soldiers are).
I think there is a hidden agenda behind what's going on but it's really hard to come to a conclusion because in reality, we don't know what is actually happening. I don't think the media or our governments are giving us all the facts. So in effect, I can only base my opinion on what info I can scource on the net because my local newspaper really doesn't tell me anything.
I guess that I'm against the war simply on principal. America wonders why they have lost face internationally, but just look at their actions. This war started nearly 15 years ago when Bush Snr gave Saddam(America's ally at the time) the go ahead to invade Kuwqait. Saddam goes in an then U.S says, "Sorry little buddy, but thats not on." U.S says it will restore a democratic government in kuwait, and simply shove's one of the Saudi princes in instead. Everythings rosy.
We go through a period of ten years with sanctions putting the sqeeze on Iraq. No problems. Then all of a sudden, Bush Jnr gets in and suddenly Saddams a problem again. You know the story from here. My concern is that Australia is America's ally and foolhardedly invaded with them. Iraq was also an ally to America so is this how Australia can expect to be treated if it suits the U.S?
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| you feel the affair is simply orchestrated to give the US or specifically Bush more money in his / their pocket? |
It's funny you should ask that. It was only the other day I was reading how Mr Blair has just purchased for himself a new 3.5 million pound mansion. Not bad going on a P.M's wage. Of course he has some business interests on the side, one being a shareholder of the Carlyle Group. I suppose it's no co-incidence that G.W Bush is also a share holder and the company has been awarded major defence contracts for the war. Then in steps Mr Cheyney, lining his pockets with contracts issued to Haliburton to rebuild Iraq. I am really surprised that no one thinks that these people have a conflict of interest.
As far as Iraq's economy goes, some would say it's doing well. Well, actually it's not. In 2000 Iraq's GDP was in excess of 30 billion, which has now dropped to just over 12 billion this year. At least they can be proud they don't have deficit in the trillions.
As far as the rest of us go, oil has just reached a record high of $53 US a barrel. Somehow I think our living expenses will be on the rise again. Too bad our wages probably won't follow suit.
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Here is a link to the actual Duelfer report that has been getting a lot of play within the media lately.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/
Here are a couple of quotes from the "Key Findings" portion:
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| Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq's WMD capability-which was essentially destroyed in 1991-after sanctions were removed and Iraq's economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability-in an incremental fashion, irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks-but he intended to focus on ballistic missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities. |
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| Saddam directed the Regime's key ministries and governmental agencies to devise and implement strategies, policies, and techniques to discredit the UN sanctions, harass UN personnel in Iraq, and discredit the US. At the same time, according to reporting, he also wanted to obfuscate Iraq's refusal to reveal the nature of its WMD and WMD-related programs, their capabilities, and his intentions. |
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| Then in steps Mr Cheyney, lining his pockets with contracts issued to Haliburton to rebuild Iraq. I am really surprised that no one thinks that these people have a conflict of interest |
You may want to check this link. It has publicly available evidence that Cheney has nothing to gain from Halliburton's endeavours in Iraq, or elsewhere.
https://www.factcheck.org/article261.html
I am sorry you feel the way you do about the war in Iraq, but the bottom line was that Iraq was defying UN sanctions for 12 years, and laughing at getting away with it. Our's and British intelligence believed there were WMD in Iraq and with the recent 9-11 attacks, the US had to do something to get Iraq turned around.
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Post Date: 16th Oct, 2004 - 10:56am / Post ID: #
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ARMY PROBES IF GIS REFUSED DANGEROUS IRAQI MISSION
The Army is investigating reports that several members of a reservist supply
unit in Iraq refused to go on a convoy mission, the military said Friday.
Relatives of the soldiers said the troops considered the mission too
dangerous.
Ref. https://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/15/...n.ap/index.html
Post Date: 25th Oct, 2004 - 11:07pm / Post ID: #
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Even if John Kerry defeats Bush, any British government will find it difficult, if not impossible, to muster popular support for a future American-led military intervention. A senior British diplomat put it bluntly to NEWSWEEK: "Never again."
Ref. https://msnbc.msn.com/id/6315335/site/newsweek/
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