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So, now that the USA left Iraq can the country rebuild herself and become stable? Related Information to Post War Iraq
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Even though I did not agree with the war in Iraq from day one, I do think it is vital that the US and the rest of the world forces stay there to finish what they started, now, I don't know how long time that will take but it is important that they can solve all the issues that the Iraqi people are going through.
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Post Date: 18th Nov, 2004 - 4:30pm / Post ID: #
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| More of them have electricity than ever before in their lives. There is more potable water available than in the last 3 decades. More schools are now open than ever before in history. People have jobs. People are allowed to access the internet, satellite TV, telephones, and other information sources for the first time ever. There is a thriving entrepreneurial economy going. Real universities are being created. There is food available in the markets. There is foreign investment. |
Sorry, but the above is nothing more than good old American propaganda. It is certainly not the news we are getting here in Canada or from international observers, such as; the Red Cross and Amnesty international.
Prior to the war, Iraq was one of the most liberal Arab country's. Highly educated people, women, contrary to most Arab nations, were allowed to drive automobiles and receive the same education as men, no need to hide their face, stability in the country..etc.
Edited: MrB on 18th Nov, 2004 - 4:31pm
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I got most of that information from Iraqi blogs.
Perhaps your sources sound like good old anti-American propaganda to me. It doesn't line up with either the facts as reported by the troops on the ground, nor the reports of people who actually live in Iraq.
I would like to point out that those sources you quote have actually said that it would be better for the world if Saddam Hussein was still in power, and that the Iraqi people, especially, would be better off. Edited: Nighthawk on 18th Nov, 2004 - 6:09pm
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The problem with the war in Iraq, is that most people don't know why the US invaded that country, when we all know that Iran is the real threat.
As for anti-american sentiment, I believe it is normal for people to want to blame somebody, when they see so much misery. I'm not anti-american, I believe you are great people in a great nation, but when it comes to Iraq, Bush made a big mistake.
When the US decided to go after the Taliban, every nation including Canada supported the US. Even today, we have canadian troops in Afghanistan working side by side with US troops and the Canadian people support our Goverment's decision
Is the country better off with Saddam gone? time will tell.
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Here is a news story about what Fallujah has been like over the last 8 months or so, until this last week.
https://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1359782,00.html
Mujahidin terrorised Fallujah, residents say
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| ....Another poster in the ruins of the souk bears testament to the strict brand of Sunni Islam imposed by the council, fronted by hardline cleric Abdullah Junabi. The decree warns all women that they must cover up from head to toe outdoors, or face execution by the armed militants who controlled the streets. Two female bodies found yesterday suggest such threats were far from idle. An Arab woman, in a violet nightdress, lay in a post-mortem embrace with a male corpse in the middle of the street. Both bodies had died from bullets to the head. .... |
Some more:
I suggest that everyone read the following:
https://www.discardedlies.com/archives/2004...l_miserably.php
I think this entry sums up my feelings. I know that people disagree, but I think we went into Iraq for good, intelligent reasons. Some of them may have been wrong, but the overriding one wasn't. Hussein had to go, and by helping to free the people of Iraq, we have established the greatest threat possible to terrorists - a free country in their midst.
As far as I am concerned, the marine did exactly what he should have done, exactly as he was trained to do. General George Patton said something to the effect of, "It isn't the duty of the soldier to die for his country. It is his duty to make the other SOB die for his country." The marine had no way of knowing whether or not the insurgent was armed, booby trapped, or anything else.
Consider what you would do if you were in his place. Do you think you would react any differently?
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Here is this week's update:
Beyond Fallujah
A roundup of the past two weeks' good news from Iraq.
https://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005926
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https://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/2004/11/good...aq-part-15.html
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| In the fortnight that saw the massive assault by American and Iraqi troops on Fallujah, the flare up of violence elsewhere throughout the Sunni Triangle, the execution of Margaret Hassan by her kidnappers, not to mention the controversy over a Marine shooting dead a wounded insurgent, it's hard to believe that anything positive might have also been happening in Iraq. Yet, fortunately, neither Fallujah nor even the Sunni Triangle are the whole of Iraq, just as violence and bloodshed are not the whole story of Iraq. Lt Col Victor Zillmer of Lindale, Texas, recently volunteered to return to Iraq as the commander of the Army Corps of Engineers in Baghdad. His impressions of the country today seems to be shared by many in Iraq outside of the media: "As I expected, it was not a total war zone with massive explosions and burning vehicles everywhere as commonly portrayed in the press. It was typical Baghdad, only the traffic was even worse. The economy must be doing much better over here, for the streets are jammed with cars of every description, with many of them newer and better condition than when I left in May. As compared to 18 months ago when I first arrived, the traffic has increased a hundredfold." As the old joke goes, sometimes a cigar is just cigar. In Iraq, contrary to the impression one can often get from watching the news, for most part a car is just car, not a carbomb, and as Lt Col Zillmer says, there are a lot of them driving around. Here are some stories of Iraqis trying to, often under difficult circumstance and against great odds, journey towards a better and more normal life. |
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It was a cold-blooded execution
As our Humvee stopped behind the truck, a Marine in the vehicle ahead of us leapt out, pointed his rifle into the window of the pickup and sprayed it with gunfire. It was a cold-blooded execution.
Ref. https://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0447/wright.php
U.S. Troops Wounded in Iraq War Tops 9,000
The number of U.S. troops wounded throughout Iraq since the Fallujah offensive began Nov. 7 has surpassed 850, and the wounded total for the entire war has topped 9,000, the Pentagon said Tuesday.
https://www.gadsdentimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...763&cachetime=5
https://snipurl.com/auhb
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I think I have made it clear that I think that there is no reason to condemn the marine who shot the "unarmed" wounded Iraqi insurgent. Here is some more discussion about the entire subject.
https://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001313.php
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| How many front-page items has the NY Times run about the construction of schools and the supply of hospitals? How many front-page pieces have featured the stories of American soldiers' courage and charity to local Iraqis? How many reporters have delved into the torture and oppression of the previous regime and the post-war reactions of its former victims? These angles that might provide beneficial context to the larger conduct and aftermath of the war have represented an infinitessimal sliver of the news coverage coming from Iraq. In comparison, the MSM marinated in weeks of features about the misconduct at Abu Ghraib, effectively practicing a form of moral equivalence that is ultimately destructive to the war effort and harmful to our society. Most MSM outlets can't muster up the outrage to energetically condemn the extremist forces that decapitate innocents on camera and wave the severed heads in the air, or shoot blinfolded women in the head, but are all too ready to swarm over primarily non-fatal psychological abuse conducted by a cadre of undisciplined soldiers and their incompetent management, or the possibly criminal execution of a wounded Iraqi in the heat of urban combat, because the negative incidents selectively lend credence to their predetermined narrative: the war is a misguided, ignoble effort that dehumanizes all participants. And it's always more comfortable for liberal elitists to practice self-critical moral equivalence within their own societal sphere than to label extremist elements of a foreign culture as psycopathic murderers that demand extermination. To be clear - I am not suggesting that Abu Ghraib and the shooting in Fallujah are incidents that should have been buried by a patriotic press corps. As a society that gains strength from openness and self-criticism, it's usually in our ultimate best interest to obtain as much information as possible - good or bad. But the revelation of these stories need to be editorialized and reported in the proper context, along with a small fraction of the thousands of unreported tales of positive conduct by Americans, shockingly improper conduct by our enemies and systematic US Military justice that typically sets our actions apart from those of the terrorists. |
I am in complete agreement with Bill on this one. (Bill is the author of the referenced post) It is good that the media tells the stories about Abu Ghraib and Fallujah. What is disturbing is that they (the mainstream media - MSM) focus on these things at the expense of information about all the rest of what is happening there.
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