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The one that I have seen reported, not necessarily the one you are talking about, used a sample of 5000 people.
There is some information about it in the "Good News from Iraq" post from yesterday.
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Through one of the best cooperative blogs on the web, The Command Post, I was led to this amazing message by a military chaplin in Iraq.
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| The first report said that a mortar had just hit one of the nearby chow halls during the middle of lunch (I'm on GMT so my morning is actually the middle of the day). It's called a MASCAL or Mass Casualty event and it's where the rubber meets the road in military ministry. They said there were approximately 10 casualties. That was the extent of it so I kind of filed it away in the back of my mind and continued to sip my coffee. The next report wasn't so good. 10 dead and approximately 50 wounded. They were being transported to the Combat Surgical Hospital down the street. The Chaplain at the CSH is a good guy and I knew he'd be in need of help so I woke my assistant and we rushed to the hospital. I didn't expect what I saw. "Mark" was put on a stretcher and laid along a wall. A small monitor on his hand would tell the nurses when he was dead. Even a cursory glance said it was inevitable. Mark had a head wound that left brain matter caked in his ear and all over the stretcher he was lying on. I knelt next to Mark and placed a hand on is chest. His heart was barely beating but it was beating so I put my face close to his ear to pray with him. If you've never smelled human brain matter it is something unforgettable. I had something of an internal struggle. He's practically dead so why stay? He probably can't hear anything! A prayer at that point seemed of little value. But I couldn't risk it. I prayed for Mark and led him in the sinners prayer as best I could. There are few things in this life that will make you feel more helpless. After that, I needed some fresh air. The last count was 25 dead, and around 45 wounded. Nevertheless, our cause is just and God is in control even when the crap is a yard deep. I'm where God wants me and wouldn't change that for anything, even if it means death. After all, "to die is gain". |
An extremely moving message. Please read the whole thing.
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Is it still true today?
"They know we own their country. We own their airspace... We dictate the way they live and talk. And that's what's great about America right now. It's a good thing, especially when there's a lot of oil out there we need."
-- U.S. Brig. General William Looney Washington Post, August 30, 1999
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IRAQI GENERAL REJECTS BUSH CRITICISM
Iraq's top general on Sunday rejected President Bush's criticism that some Iraqi government troops were unwilling to fight insurgents and have deserted the battlefield, saying the president had been misinformed.
Ref. https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C...00576%2C00.html
Dissent is not disloyal
`Can an American who wants the United States to lose the war in Iraq be patriotic?'
By Geoffrey R. Stone
Dissent in wartime can be the highest form of patriotism. If citizens believe that our military or political leaders have blundered or our reasons for fighting are unjust, they must voice these concerns if they are to meet their responsibilities in a self-governing society. Dissent is not disloyal.
Ref. https://207.44.245.159/article7551.htm
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| `Can an American who wants the United States to lose the war in Iraq be patriotic?' By Geoffrey R. Stone |
United States lose the war in Iraq? I though there is just a peace keeping force there. I never looked it as a war US must win! But maybe this is what it really is!
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David Horowitz wrote a great column, that was published in the Los Angeles Times on December 25.
It can be read at TownHall.com:
https://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidho...h20041227.shtml
Here is a sample:
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| "On Christmas Day, former U.S. senator and Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern wrote a letter to the editor of the Los Angeles Times (and probably many other papers) calling for an American surrender in Iraq... To McGovern we are conquerors, which makes the al-Zarqawi terrorists "liberators," or as Michael Moore would prefer, "patriots." The Left that wants America to throw in the towel in Iraq is hypersensitive to questions about its loyalties but at the same time can casually refer to our presence in Iraq as an "invasion and occupation." It wants to use the language of morality, but it only wants the standard to apply in one direction. There is no one-dimensional standard, and a politics of surrender is not a politics of peace." |
In this article, Mr. Horowitz (a former Communist activist) explains a lot of information about the Vietnam war, the aftermath, and how that affects our position in Iraq. Excellent read.
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| The Left that wants America to throw in the towel in Iraq is hypersensitive to questions about its loyalties but at the same time can casually refer to our presence in Iraq as an "invasion and occupation." |
Well, of course. We seem "hypersensitive" when so many on the right (and a few on the left) would like to refer to those who oppose the war as "un-American", "traitors", and "liberal scum". Ann Coulter comes to mind.
We're a foreign army in a foreign land--that sounds like an occupation if I ever saw one. Folks in the Bush administration would have us believe that we would be welcome by parades and flowers on our arrival to "liberate" Iraq. Well, I think we can discard that naïvete to the side.
We have four bases in the works with up to a possible eight in Iraq. An extensive guide to our network of 700+ bases in the world is discussed in Chalmers Johnson's The Sorrows of Empire. So much for fixing the situation and then leaving the Iraqis to govern themselves.
Some would have us "stay the course" and not abandon the situation in Iraq, citing that such an action would result in utter chaos in the region. Well, fifty-thousand-some deaths later in Vietnam--was that such a wise-choice? How many more dead are we going to tolerate? Do we not trust Iraqis with their own future? Working Americans here learned that democracy does not come from the top--not from self-righteous, elite circles. Recall the Pullman Strike, the Haymarket Affair, the Johnstown Steel Strike, etc etc.. The fight for a democratic society continues, and so it will with normal Iraqi citizens. Apparently Horowitz can see into the future--and apparently he has no confidence in the Iraqis.
I found the Horowitz article nearly devoid of any criticism of US policy toward Iraq in the 80s. No mention of Rumsfeld being buddy-buddy with Saddam back in '83, declaring that American resources were at Saddam's disposal in his war against Iran. No mention of "corporate responsibility" or the role of pharmaceutical/chemical companies that earlier supplied Saddam with "weapons of mass destruction" which were later used on "his own people" (Yeah, right--that's like saying the Native Americans were Andrew Jackson's people).
After the gassing of the Kurds in '88-89, where were people like Horowitz and the current Bush cronies (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Poindexter, etc.)? Where were the cries of out-rage against such an atrocity in the US corporate media outlets? No where to be seen except on the margins of dissident literature. And why not when Iraq made a good buddy before Saddam made the mistake of invading another one of our friends--Kuwait. Iraq's actions are only crimes when it is no longer one of our allies.
People like Horowitz can pretend that certain events in history didn't happen, but that doesn't mean that the Iraqis and people who fall under the boot of American hegemony won't remember.
One last thing.. How can Americans being "anti-American"? Contradiction, anyone?
Edit: I wouldn't call this a direct rebuttal to the Horowitz article, it does touch on similar issues (by Naomi Klein) from ZNet: https://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cf...=15&ItemID=6930
Edited: rustedhope on 29th Dec, 2004 - 5:44am
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