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Correct me if I am wrong, but this seems to be the first real significant help to Iraq that another Middle Eastern country has given:

SAUDIS PLEDGE $1 BILLION FOR IRAQ AID

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister said he is less worried that U.S. policies in Iraq will bring on a civil war there, and pledged anew to contribute $1 billion for rebuilding that war-ravaged country's shattered infrastructure.
Ref. https://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/13/...I.ap/index.html

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Torture center is a fresh outrage

Iraq's government said Tuesday that it had ordered an urgent investigation of allegations that 173 detainees U.S. troops discovered in the basement of an Interior Ministry building had been tortured by their Iraqi captors. A senior Iraqi official who visited the detainees said two appeared paralyzed and others had their skin peeled off by their abusers.
Ref. https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C...61711%2C00.html

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This is a case of "Meet the New Boss -- Same as the Old Boss" in my opinion. This is the way they learned, under Saddam Hussein, to deal with troublemakers, and they are perpetuating his "style of leadership." Interesting what power and control does to people, and a tragic view of future Iraqi government.

Roz

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I saw a documentary just the other night about Iraqi prisoner torture. It featured an interview with the infamous hooded man of Abu Grahib. Anyway, the doco said prisoner torture has been going on in jails across the country ever since Saddam was toppled. See links to the transcript below:

Iraq will never see democracy while coalition occupying powers remain there. But it is in everyone's best interest to clean up these torture chambers. It is certainly not helping the transition. And I'm sure the extremist elements will use to this to continue their bloody campaign.

The puppet Iraqi administration and coalition forces must be more transparent and accountable for their actions if they are to win over the masses, including the rest of the world.

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Cheney is generally known for making strange statements and this one does not take away from that notoriety:

For me a troop withdrawal would mean that the work has been done and Iraq's people are ready to govern themselves. No matter what you do the terrorists can find victory for themselves, even if US troops stay will the violence subside - no.

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What he's saying is the "immediate" withdrawal -- if we withdraw now, before the Iraqi government can manage things for themselves, it would be a disaster.

I do agree that someday it will be a good thing, but we are in it now up to our ears, and I don't see a reprieve anywhere on the near horizon.

Post War Iraq - Page 84

That is just my point, there is nothing immediate about withdrawing from Iraq now, this has been in the planning since the beginning of the year, in fact, if you look over some back pages of this thread you will see where the troops were supposed to begin returning home for Christmas. I do not think there will ever be a right time to withdraw, if the fighting is to stop then two things have to happen in my opinion:

1. Stop terrorists coming from other countries into Iraq
2. Change the culture and mindset of the people towards the US

Both in my opinion will never happen, because things in the Middle East have always been a certain way and will continue to be so, yes, it sounds pessimistic, but there are just too many things that point to the inevitable outcome of the Middle East.

Post War Iraq Politics Business Civil & History - Page 84

I disagree with Cheney's assessment. I think Coalition forces being in Iraq is the root cause of the insurgency, but the the handful of Governments involved can't pull out their forces because there is political pressure for them to stay.

And by political pressure I don't mean domestic, I mean international. It would destroy coalition member states' reputations if they were to withdraw, leaving the country in its current state of disaster. But the insurgency can not be stopped while foreign forces occupy the country, that appears to be quite obvious.

This invasion is an absolute catastrophe. Now the occupying forces are in a position where they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I feel desperately sorry for the brave soldiers who are caught up in this mess.

As for all this nonsense about a victory for terrorists. There has been very little evidence that Iraq is overrun by terrorists. It appears the coalition is accusing everyone who uprises as being terrorists. I've read reports from journalists, who are brave enough to leave their hotels, that a lot of the fighting is actually by Iraqis.

Of course there will also be terorrists taking up the cause, but I would like to know exactly what proportion they are. And, even if they were all terrorists, you can never defeat terrorism by killing terrorists. When will people wake up to this simple fact.

Another conspiracy doing the rounds is this notion that Iraq will plunge into civil war if coalition forces leave. Yet again there is no proof of this, certainly not from Iraqis that I have heard.

What I really find remarkable about people like Cheney and Bush is how they lash out at critics who have served in war. They totally disregard their opinion when these people actually know what it is like and should be heard.