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Of course they voted for war. The Bush Administration lied to them about the threat and deliberately produced faulty intelligence to back their claims.

How on earth could a Democrat know the real threat without relying on the intelligence presented by the Administration?

One thing that always amazes me is how eager US Congressmen are to go to war. I would have thought such plans would be heavily scrutinised, but it seems to be political suicide to do that in the US. It's patriotism gone mad.

Now Republicans really should shy away from using the "you backed us to go to war" rhetoric because it really just emphasises the level of contempt they showed towards the American public in going to war. we know there were never any WMDs, Saddam never wanted Uranium and he was never a threat to anyone.

What exactly is the real progress they are making Nighthawk? More Iraqis are dying each day than did before the war. Bush's figure of 30,000 Iraqi deaths is so conservative compare to almost every other estimate I have read it is insulting. The city of Ramadi has been taken over by Iraqi gunmen for about the fifth time! Your troops are returning in body bags. And it now appears the country is dotted with prisons where retribution torture goes on unchecked. Can you post some examples of the progress please.

Below is an article by Robert Fisk about his recent visit to the US. It basically highlights that the tide of opinion is changing in the US, and contradict's Bush's unsubstantiated claim that the war is making progress.

America slowly confronts the truth

Karl Rove has used this tactic to perfection throughout Bush's career, why can't the Democrats use it?

I actually found an interesting article about a Republican who is also sick of the lies being spruiked about the so called "insurgency".

His name is John Murtha.
He said, "Let's talk about terrorism versus insurgency in Iraq itself.
"We think that foreign fighters are about 7 percent -- might be a little bit more, a little bit less.
"Very small proportion of the people that are involved in the insurgency are terrorists or how I would interpret them as terrorists."
A recent poll, commissioned by Britain's Ministry of Defense, indicates that four-fifths of Iraqis now want American and British forces out of their country.
The US can't win a military victory because the Iraqis have turned against Coalition forces, Murtha added.
For the full story please click below:

Republican John Murtha speaks out against the War

Can anyone please tell me how Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice or Wolfowitz discredited Murtha's character in a bid to water down his comments?

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The Iraq Invasion: Day 1,000

1,000 days ago today, the U.S. invasion of Iraq officially began. Since then, over 2,300 coalition troops and as many as 100,000 Iraqis have been killed. Zero weapons of mass destruction have been found and the cost of the war has topped $200 billion dollars.
Ref. https://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/14/154243

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What does everyone think about Bush's latest speech, do you think he was still justified in launching an attack on Iraq? Was the attack really necessary in order to bring down Saddam?

More details available:
https://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bush

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Bush's comments are a real slap in the face to his coalition partners and show contempt for his own people.

He knew this intelligence was faulty all along. He was warned several times by insiders and dissidents well before the invasion. Iraq was planned well before Sept 11 and as soon as that attack happened the Administration instructed the CIA to make a case for war on bogus intelligence. This has now been proven as fact. Bush was the last, after Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, to concede their intelligence was faulty.

You have to remember, Bush and his coalition puppets did not allow weapons inspectors to search Iraq for WMDs. If they were so sure about WMDs and the intelligence this would have been a very sensible and easy step to sway the international community into action. After all, if we believe Powell, they had video footage pin-pointing the location of such weapons and their production facilities.

They didn't allow a weapons inspection to conclude because they knew it would fail. Hans Blix has already made it clear the Iraqis were complying and the inspection should have finished. The US Admin knew Saddam didn't have any weapons and most of what he once had was cleaned up by previous weapons inspectors.

If Iraq never had WMDs then how could that country be an imminent threat? It never was. No other country in the world apart from Israel and the puppet coalition entertained such nonsense.

The invasion was never about helping Iraqis. This was the last of a series of failed excuses to invade a sovereign nation. If Bush really cared about the Iraqi people he would have taken steps to remove the barbaric economic sanctions, which is what has really destroyed Iraq, not Saddam.

This was an ideological war and that it is why it is failing so dismally. It was about regime change. That is, installing a regime that is our mate, installing a friendly regime who will freely trade oil with us. One that will allow us to use their country as an Army base when we please.

The CIA engineered the Baathist coup to initially take power from Iraq's previous administration for the same reasons. Iraq was once one of the most prosperous and literate countries in the world. And the people loved their government before the Baathist coup. History is repeating itself, but this time the US-led coalition are in full control.

And no, it was not necessary to attack Iraq to bring down Saddam.

If Bush was smart and sincere he would have got the Iraqi people to lead an uprising and support the people in their removal of Saddam. There are plenty of Iraqis who would taken on the "freedom fighter" role and organised this. But the reason why the US would never do that is because they are fearful an Islamic based, or undesirable, government would fill the power vacuum.

Everyone should read the democracy now transcript posted in the News post above for the real story on the Iraq invasion.

Edited: arvhic on 15th Dec, 2005 - 9:08am

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Here is Senator Lieberman's article about the good things that he has seen in Iraq.

https://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/fe...ml?id=110007611

Here is a response from an Iraqi.
https://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2005/12/t...-have-just.html

I strongly advise that you all read IraqTheModel. It is a counter to the rising tide of negative news coming out of the international (and especially the US) media.

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Has Senator Lieberman ever visited Iraq without the use of a security convoy distorting the real danger of this country? Is Mr Lieberman on some sort of drug that makes 40 dailiy bombings and far more daily deaths sound like progress? I know the Bush Administration enjoy the most insane security convoy wherever they travel. I remember when Rumsfeld visited Adelaide this year he had a 37 car convoy and shut down half the CBD for some worthless meeting he had with our defence minister. What a joke, all this security for an evil man. And this was in Australia!

Nighthawk your blogger, which is terrible way to get information, appears to have been removed. Did you post the right address mate?

Anyone who believes Iraq is a success is living a fantasy. Iraq is one the greatest man made tragedies in modern times. Bush's figure of 30,000 Iraqi deaths is so conservative it's laughable. And quite frankly an Iraqi death is just as sad as an American one, even thought the weak US media never dares to illustrate this.

While the US media constantly reports the 2,000 or so US lives who have fallen to the Neo-Cons insane invasion, I have not seen one US report that attempts to show Iraqi deaths. It's like Iraqis are second rate citizens, their deaths are by-products of OUR crusade. Collateral damage was the disgusting term used during the war to describe an Iraqi civilian murdered by this pointless carnage. Who cares they are just Arabs, right?

ALL LIES. The Shiite south has NEVER had terrorism. Of course it will remain free of it. The only thing comparable to terrorism that has happened in this part of the world was when Saddam's Army butchered Iraqis who were uprising at the end of Gulf War I. And these Shiites were PROMISED by Bush Senior that if they fought they would be backed by the Americans. This was another disgraceful lie which led to their death. The US military literally watched, like cowards, Saddam's henchman decimate the Shiites when they could have easily stepped in. Why do you think Iraqis don't trust the US-led coalition?

Furthermore, the current situation in Iraq is not infiltrated by terrorists as the US media report. Most of the people involved in attacks are IRAQIS who don't want occupation forces in their country. I could imagine a similar situation in the US if China decided to invade when it becomes the superpower of the world.

ANOTHER LIE. There were more cars on the streets before this invasion. Since the invasion Iraq has become such a dangerous place, with US security checks everywhere, that people are not using their cars as much as the did beforehand. How on earth would a US Senator even know if there were more cell phones in Iraqi hands? And who cares if there are more, are cell phones and satellite dishes suppose to represent freedom, or capitalism? What a strange thing to mention, does Senator Lieberman have shares or an interest in Motorolla?

And what a ridiculous statement about Iraq doing better economically. Does Lieberman have short term memory loss? Iraq's economy was DESTROYED by economic sanctions. These UN imposed sanctions were a barbaric way for the US and Britain to contain Saddam's "threat". The sanctions were REMOVED after Iraq was invaded. They could have been removed beforehand had the US and Britain decided. Two high ranking UN officials resinged over these criminal sanctions. Of course the economy is doing better. But to suggest this has anything to do with the invasion tells me Lieberman is either stupid or has no knowledge of Iraq whatsoever.

LIE. It is a war between the Coalition and their imagination. Iraq was not a War it was an INVASION. Are people who uprise against an occupying force considered terrorists? I guess those Red Indians were also terrorists to the invading white settlers of the US as well. Just like the Aborigines were terrorists in Australia.

It always amazes me how freely the term "Al Quaeda" is used to justify attacks by the US military. Does Sen Lieberman even know if Al Quaeda exists? Has he met any Al Quaeda operatives?

And over half of Iraq's population are under the age of 15 years. So to suggest children are involved in a war or had anything to do with it is deplorable.

But wasn't this "war" about helping the Iraqi people? I'm a bit confused by Lieberman's comments. So what he is saying is that regime change in Iraq is really about helping the US. Well it's about bloody time a politician told the truth about the real reasons for this invasion. Maybe Lieberman does have some credit?

Edited: arvhic on 18th Dec, 2005 - 2:11am

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Thanks. Basically, from what I see from your post, any American who thinks that there is ANYTHING going right in Iraq, is an idiot. All US government officials are liars and idiots, who are most definitely very paranoid, etc.

https://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

Iraq the Model.

I'm sorry, I guess that since the guy living in Baghdad has not gotten a degree in journalism (the second most worthless degree that I know of, IMO), he certainly cannot be trusted to know what is happening in his own country, right? Or is it just the fact the he contradicts the hallowed beliefs of the Left?

I will refrain from posting any of the other blogs of people who live in Iraq, who think that things are going well. After all, what do THEY know about things?

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Yes, unless their comments are put in context. I'm sick and tired of Coalition leaders and supporters of the Iraq invasion, including the Australian Government, blatantly lying about the real situation. These lies just support a ridiculous ideological crusade and are an insult to the thousands of Iraqi, American and other lives destroyed by this carnage.

It's great that Saddam is gone, but to paint a picture that Iraq is a better place than it was beforehand is nonsense. There is going to be good things that will happen now that a ruthless dictator is gone, but at the moment the bad severely outweighs the good.

If you believe that Mr Lieberman is so credible, disprove my assertions to the contrary. You can't, because what he is saying is a distortion of the truth and you know it.

My degree is just as valuable as the piece of paper you received when you graduated. Who the hell do you think you are judging my profession when you have no knowledge about it? Most of the information you receive comes from the MEDIA. I know we are evil, but you rely on us every day, just remember that! Maybe you need to use "right-winged" Blogs to fulfill your agenda but I rely on my research of the truth for information.

Furthermore, I am not left winged. I find that term insulting. Why do you insist on labelling people either right or left? My thoughts do not belong to any team. Maybe that's how it is in your part of the world, but where I live we think freely about issues.

If I went to Baghdad I could find 20 guys who loved the invasion and 20 more who hated it. And quite frankly you wouldn't even know if this was a real guy in Baghdad or some bored teenager in Mongolia.

It is of critical importance to hear what the people in Iraq think about this situation. Their opinion is about a million times more valuable than yours, mine or anyone elses from the West. But to post one opinion, which suits your own opinion, when you can't verify its authenticity, place it in any sort of context, or even balance it with the bigger picture, is what I would call dodgy reporting.

And you don't need a worthless degree to work that out.