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I surely hope that we pull out within the next year. The way I see it is that is that since they don't want us there, we should get out and stop sacrificing our soldiers for a country that does like the way we run our country, our foreign policy, and our religion. Tell me, why are we obligated to help a country that doesn't want help? Further, why is it our responsibility to fight for equal rights for women, or dictate their constitution or anything regarding their laws for that matter. I really wish they would just pull out and stopping wasting our soldiers lives on a country that no longer wants our help. We shall see if the pull out starts some time in the next year.

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DEATH PENALTY SOUGHT FOR FOUR U.S. SOLDIERS

A U.S. Army investigator says four American soldiers accused of murdering three men during a raid in Iraq should face the death penalty if convicted, according to a report obtained Saturday by the Associated Press.
Ref. https://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200...rder060902.html

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FORMER IRAN LEADER: U.S. POLICIES TRIGGER TERRORISM, VIOLENCE

Former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami said Saturday that U.S. foreign policy triggers terrorism and violence in the world, but American Muslims can play a key role in promoting peace and security.
Ref. https://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/03/khatami.us.ap/index.html

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The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War

The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War On the fifth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks, President Bush took the occasion to claim success in the "war on terror" and defend his decision to invade Iraq. Now a new book has been released with new details of what was happening inside the White House in the run-up to the invasion. It's called "Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War." The book has already made headlines for exposing former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was the White House source who outed CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson. We spend the hour with the co-authors of the book, journalists Michael Isikoff of Newsweek and David Corn of The Nation.
Ref. https://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/12/139208

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Once again, consider the source of this, "news." Then go back to the simple fact that Valerie Plame Wilson was never covert. You have to be "covert" to be outed. Valerie was only an employee of the CIA. She was never an "operative." So whatever Richard Armitage said about her did not "out" her. And just for giggles and grins, Richard Armitage knew from day 1 that he was the one that had said what he did to the "news" media that started the whole fiasco in the first place. Tax payers money was spent, reputations were ruined, and there was months of hoopla about nothing, for what? To fill empty pages with "news" print in another vain attempt to make the president and all Republicans look bad? Please find your "news" somewhere else.

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I'm a bit confused by your statement Mousetrails. In the transcript it clearly says Plame was an undercover operative in a part of the CIA that conducts espionage and covert operations around the world.

I think this is a very important case. It is a massive scandal if the Bush Administration, or any government, breaks the law to discredit evidence that Iraq never had WMDs.

What we now know is that Joe Wilson was right all along and the Bush Administration were wrong. If they deliberately mislead the world by using dirty political tricks like revealing the identity of covert CIA operatives, then they should be held to account.

Karl Rove blatantly lied in a court of law by saying he didn't speak to a reporter called Matt Cooper about the ID. Over a year later he changed his story when Cooper was about to be brought before court. All along his lawyer had evidence in an email that Rove had indeed told Cooper about Valerie Plame.

I'm quite surprised anyone would think uncovering corruption is a waste of taxpayers money.

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No, Valerie Plame was NOT an undercover agent. Her identity was NOT covered by the law in question.

It is remotely possible that she had been an undercover agent, at one time. However, the law specifically covers agents who have been covert within a specific period of time - two years prior, I think. She most certainly had NOT been covert within whatever that time was, as has been conclusively shown. She was, at the time of the reports, a normal analyst. And she had been in that position for over 5 years, and had "outed" herself in several different ways several times within that 5 years. That has been thoroughly documented, but the NYT won't cover it, at all.

And, Joe Wilson DID lie - by distortion. Bush said that the Great Britain intelligence services had reported that Iraq was seeking nuclear materials. Which was absolutely true. So, what did Bush lie about?

Joe Wilson DID know this. He also only reported on one specific item, knowing that it had nothing to do with the question at hand, and knowing that the New York Times and the rabidly Leftist media would use that distorted report to hound President Bush like hyenas after a gazelle. Which you appear to have bought into.

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I'm not going to get into the legal semantics of whether Plame was or wasn't an undercover operative in the time period required to break the law. I think it is beside the point. But if revealing Plame's identity wasn't a crime, why did Scooter Libby take the fall?

The bottom line is the Bush Administration, apparently through Armitage and Rove, deliberately tried to discredit Joe Wilson by spinning rubbish about his wife's role in the CIA. It was Cheney who accused Valerie of sending her husband to Iraq on a "junket". This is highly defamatory and offensive. It is a deliberate attempt to undermine Mr Wilson.

Rove lied in a court of law. That is perjury and should be punished.

Regardless, I believe it is worth investigating why a government would use personal attacks on someone's partner to discredit them. Especially when their evidence is a shot against war. This is gutter politics and quite deplorable.

Wilson said he could not find any evidence Iraq had WMDs. This was the truth, how is it a lie? Have they found any? Will they find any?

As for Bush lying... do you really want me to write a list? I'm not sure if there is enough space in this message box to list all the lies he made leading into the Iraq invasion. The very least of Bush's lies were, that Iraq had WMDs, it was trying to acquire a nuclear program, and it was linked to Sept 11 and Al-Quaeda. I also don't buy this buck passing by politicians onto the intelligence agenices for getting it wrong. Iraq was planned well before September 11, let's not kid ourselves here.

Furthermore, you talk about distortion. Is it not distortion to dismiss every piece of intelligence, the overwhelming majority, that says Iraq has no WMDs? Is it not distortion to tell your intelligence agencies to only look for evidence of WMDs regardless of how shonky it is? Is it distortion to only present intelligence that fits your foreign policy, while discrediting evidence that doesn't?

Personally, I don't read the NYT. I think it's rubbish. I don't have time for left-leaning papers as well, the NYT is NOT left leaning at all. I'm more concerned about the truth, rather than feeding off other people's agendas.

Offtopic but, It's good to hear from you Nighthawk, I hope you are well mate.

Edited: arvhic on 14th Sep, 2006 - 11:57pm

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This will be my last post on this subject. I refuse to argue with the closed mind of anyone that hates America and believes everything our "news" media prints. I happen to love my imperfect country enough to stay and try to make it better. Hate all you want. Write what you want. I refuse to participate anymore, because it gives hate America first people a reason to spew more hatred.

Edited: mousetrails on 15th Sep, 2006 - 4:15pm