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I saw the video (one of many available online). My heart was pumping really fast, it was not something nice to see at all. It was horrible. I wonder if the same people here who said they celebrated his death if they had a big smile or even laughed seeing this guy on camera actually being executed.

He refused to wear a hood. You could see by the expression on his face that he was terrified. His executioner and government officials danced around his body. In the video the actual persons putting him to death were taunting him and saying "Go to hell", one person in authority replies: "Please, this man is going to be executed".

No matter what a monster this guy was, it was a horrible view to see this video.

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This "loose end" was given US and other Western support for many, many years after the Cold War. If you study the history of Iraq you will see that Saddam only became Western enemy No 1 after he attacked Kuwait, which is a country that had a lot of US oil interest. If Saddam hadn't tried invading and threatening his neighbours, he most likely would still be in power and still receive backing from some Western countries. The whole notion that Saddam was removed to liberate Iraqis is a load of rubbish.

If that was the legitimate reason, then why wait for over 10 years after he has committed his worst acts of genocide? Why not use that as the fundamental excuse for invading Iraq instead of other excuses such as WMDs?

Well, if you Americans are so cocky, then go in and invade Iran, Syria, Sudan and all the other screwed up regimes! What sort of planet do you want to live in? One where we pre-emptively attack countries we don't like, or a world where we try to live with each other in peace? Let me remind you, the US won't be the world's only superpower for much longer. What goes around comes around.

I find this statement outrageous. The fact that you would even compare the two clearly demonstrates you have no understanding of history. If you have a Jewish friend, go and ask him/her who they think is worse.

Who cares whether Hitler massacred people in front of others? He still murdered millions more. As for medical tests"¦ Come on, Saddam could use the same nonsense to justify his "biological" tests.

Nighthawk, your son sounds like a very intelligent and passionate young man. I thought it was a very nice opinion piece and thanks for sharing it. I can certainly understand the sentiment for defending one's family. I feel equally strong about my family too. However, the only point I will raise is that there is a presumption that the US was under threat from Iraq. This simply isn't true.

I have no sympathy or care for Saddam being killed whatsoever. But in my opinion when we start murdering people we become as bad as they are. Saddam was inhumane, but so is Capital punishment. I know it is up to individual countries to chose how they deal with criminals, but personally I will never support hanging people.

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TOP IRAQI SOURCE: U.S. TRIED TO DELAY EXECUTION

U.S. officials reportedly tried to delay last week's execution of Saddam Hussein, fearing it would fuel perceptions the death of the former Iraqi dictator was more about Shiite retribution and less about justice.
Ref. https://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/02/...tion/index.html

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Here are a couple of interesting reports about the relationship the West has had with Saddam.

I urge anyone who is confused or in denial about Western support to the dictator to read the above mentioned articles. This is not media hype or speculation, it is pure fact. When celebrating Saddam's death it is worth placing his relationship with the West in context. You will see that the butcher from Baghdad was far from a "loose end" of the Cold War, as some on this forum have suggested.

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I've been to Israel for HAZMAT work, trust me they are very concerned about a chemical weapons attack from one of their peaceful neighbors. Oddly enough most of the Israelis I talked to on the matter considered Saddam and Hitler as cut from the same cloth.

I've never denied the West gave Saddam aid, but when he turned rabid in invading Kuwait (a US protectorate), the US took action to remove him as a threat. Over time Saddam proved that he couldn't play well with others, so more drastic actions were needed.

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So basically Saddam was fine before he turned "rabid" and invaded US protected Kuwait? I don't think many Iraqis or Iranians would agree with this statement. In fact, I would suggest Saddam was at his worst when he was being backed by Western allies.

If Kuwait was in the business of exporting asparagus, and not oil, I highly doubt the US would have blinked an eye when Saddam sent forces across the border.

Saddam has never once proved he would "play" with others. He has always been a tyrant. The Americans have always known this. When he first came to power the CIA helped Saddam hunt down anyone believed to be associated with the communist party in Iraq. The US and Britain have supported Saddam in his war with Iran. They also watched on as he used chemical and biological weapons on Iran and the Kurds. Where do you think half of these chemicals came from? The US even accepted Saddam's excuses when an Iraqi jet bombed a US frigate killing several American troops.

I think the point you are trying to make is that action was taken on Saddam when he stopped being a useful ally to the US? It was never about his behaviour or the atrocities that occurred.

Furthermore, I would be extremely shocked if any person from Israel considered Saddam's atrocities worse than the Holocaust.

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Dextral said:

I am having a VERY hard time believing that. I grew up in a country and city with the second biggest Jewish population in America, most of my friends in college were Jews, same with co-workers and even neighbors. One in particular is an Holocaust Survivor, I even interviewed on my radio show Emily Schindler (wife of Oscar Schindler). In none of my interactions with all this people was ever mentioned that they thought Saddam to be worst than Adolph or even similar, EVER. They consider Hitler as the worst and the most evil of all humans.

Are you kidding, again? So you are saying that Saddam was a pretty good fellow that suddenly became evil? Yeah, right.

Arvhic said:

Of course! Same thing happened with Osama Bin Laden. Some people seem to have such a weak memory.

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In war, truth is the first casualty. (Aeschylus 525 BC - 456 BC)

I do not believe that the Americans had any strategy in this war, much less an exit strategy. It parallels Vietnam for the U.S and Afghanistan for the Russians in many ways as most catastrophes of this order have commonalities that grow to include lack of military intelligence and atrocities committed against civilian populations.

Rumsfeld and Cheney, two civil servants were left to their own devices to play general and to supply the war much to the pleasure of the shareholders of Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown and Root. American generals who warned of the imminent disaster were repetitively ostracized and dismissed when they raised genuine concerns over the lack of troop strength to secure the country, which directly contradicted Rumsfeld's plan of placing forward the die for the new way in which wars would be fought.

The sideline to this was the mountain came to Mohammed meaning that Jihadists et al didn't have to travel abroad and learn how to fly airplanes to kill Americans as the new blood sport of the Middle East, hunting Americans could now be found in local traffic. While the Americans were busing themselves welding scrap metal to Hum-Vees and trying to figure out who was the enemy. The uneasy sectarian peace maintained by Hussein quickly unraveled as opportunists settled old scores and carved out and claimed sectors of the country as their turf during the ongoing chaos.

In the most bizarre of outcomes, it appears that the country that stands to gain the most is Iran and if you connect the historical dots it traces back to 1979. So is the invasion and occupation successful? On the world stage, this appears to be a paradoxical black comedy.

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