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Prostitution - Politics, Business, Civil, History - Posted: 31st Jan, 2005 - 10:20pm
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Prostitution is the oldest employment according to many, but do you think it should be legal? Many say what they do with their body is up to them, what say you and give specific statements to backup your position.Post Date: 20th May, 2004 - 2:27am / Post ID: #
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Prostitution is the oldest employment according to many, but do you think it should be legal? Many say what they do with their body is up to them, what say you and give specific statements to backup your position.
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As an advocate for liberty, I absolutely believe that prostitution should be completely decriminalized. It is entirely up to the people involved.
I recognize some of the dangers, including the spread of disease, the broken marriages, etc. But those are consequences to choices that people make.
At the same time, as an advocate for liberty, I don't believe in licensing, especially since it is often justified as a means of creating revenue for the state. But, licensing of prostitution (as done in some European countries) does provide for health screening, and other ways to alleviate some of the problems. So, I have a bit of conflict on this part of the issue.
One of the biggest reasons (aside from libertarian concerns) for decriminalizing prostitution is to removed the horrendous abuses that come along with it. Since prostitutes know that they are breaking the law, they often have little or no recourse to resolve abuses such as sadistic customers, pimps, and others who prey on them.
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Just for the sake of the women's health, self-esteem and safety I think no, it should not be legalized. Many prostitutes die every day in the streets due to different kinds of abuse.
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That is what I was trying to say. Legalized prostitution in the Netherlands, Germany, and Nevada wipes out the abuse. It requires frequent health checks, so health problems are quickly resolved. They also actually make better pay.
Therefore, it becomes more of an issue of choice, rather than coercion. Many (maybe most) prostitutes in the US are coerced by pimps into that life, are abused, and eventually cast away. That is the effect of making it illegal.
Don't get the idea that I think it is a good thing. It isn't. But legalizing it is better than the alternatives.
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I understand what you are saying, it is just scary to know that if it becomes legalized we will have a whole bunch of women working in the streets when they could be doing so much better in their lives. 
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Here is some interesting news on this subject. Perhaps I should mention that it is also very disturbing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../30/wgerm30.xml
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'If you don't take a job as a prostitute, we can stop your benefits'
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| A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year. Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners - who must pay tax and employee health insurance - were granted access to official databases of jobseekers. The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe. She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel. Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job - including in the sex industry - or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990. The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse. When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer. "There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits." Miss Garweg believes that pressure on job centres to meet employment targets will soon result in them using their powers to cut the benefits of women who refuse jobs providing sexual services. "They are already prepared to push women into jobs related to sexual services, but which don't count as prostitution,'' she said. "Now that prostitution is no longer considered by the law to be immoral, there is really nothing but the goodwill of the job centres to stop them from pushing women into jobs they don't want to do." |
Read the whole thing. There are several different examples of what is happening in Germany.
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Ok, I have taken a drive and many deep breaths, but I am absolutely appalled and disgusted! In my opinion, this is sinking to an all time low in humanity. Though there are and have been other evil and murderous practices and events throughout history that to me are unfathomable, this is nothing short of forced pornography and rape and in my opinion is just as deplorable. And there is not much worse that can be done to a woman than that.
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| Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting...The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits. |
What is this?! She had to go interview at a possible job offer whether she wanted this job or not? She had to interview in the nude?! This is such a violation of human rights and this would never be allowed under the freedoms granted us under the United States Constitution. I would rather die than be forced to exploit myself in such a way. I don't think anything else on this forum has provoked such a wrath in me as has this article. How can this be true? How can this happen in a supposed 'modern' society like Germany? Oy! Why don't they also include legalizing professional lying, stealing, slandering, assault, kidnapping, stalking, and even murder (these are only a few examples). I understand the concept that these things affect others who did nothing wrong and that they are hurtful. But these crimes are just as immoral and offensive to me as would having to be a prostitute, having to be a phone-sex operator, or having to being a nude model. Wouldn't the legalization of such practices/professions be just as harmful to others as the list I made? Wouldn't the innocent be made to be extorted from? This is worse than abuse from a pimp. This is abuse, violation, and 'rape' by their government! This to me is a deviant, unjustifiable, terrible thing to force anyone, male or female, into.
It is also disgusting to witness how things of such a sacred, personal, and private nature revolve around money. Denying or decreasing unemployment and/or health benefits?! This really proves the statement 'money is the root of all evil.' Believe it or not, I am actually trying at this moment to be rational and see things from a different point of view, but I don't know if anyone could convince me otherwise.
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| She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel. |
This poor woman, who only said that she was willing to work at a bar at night, unknowingly and without any warning called what she thought to be a respectable employer for a 'regular' job. This was a horrible trick and deceit to play on her. At the very least, they should have some kind of warning on any responses that the possible employment would be in the sex industry.
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| The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. |
What?! Too difficult to distinguish from bars?? *claps hands onto cheeks* I'm sorry, but if this is how the German government reasons, I never want to visit there. To me, it does not take that much common sense to distinguish between a bar, even ones that have strippers and such, and a brothel. If a bar is found to practice prostitution, then it becomes a brothel, not a bar IMO.
Legalizing prostitution just to require health checks, better pay, "limiting' abuse, and making a 'better' alternative for women? Legalizing prostitution to "help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime"? I just don't buy it. Prostitution does way more harm than it ever could do good. Even with the 'advantages' mentioned above, legalized prostitution would always result in a more deviant society with a degrading and direspectful view of women, leaving the impression that a woman can be used as a 'peice of meat', never having a second thought for her rights and/or feelings, even if she has volunteered of her own free will to be one. Yes, it is a personal choice, and I am all for freedom of choice. But, I cannot ever advocate such a freedom that spells nothing but illness of the mind, emotions, and spirit, and can cause nothing but heartbreak in the end. I am not offended in discussing this issue, but I am offended at the abuse of women as described in the article. I feel that there are other ways of addressing the unemployment problem that Germany has than deciding upon this course of action. This post is not as much of an emotional response as it is a common sense and mindful one. I look forward to any feedback that could teach me another way of looking at this issue, if there one.
Edited: dawnofthenew on 31st Jan, 2005 - 10:41pm TOPIC: Prostitution