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This topic truly excited me some months ago, but I have allowed my current blessings in Argentina to cause me to loose vision about it. I am now ready to reaffirm that this is what I need to ensure for my family and I.

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"It is one thing to see the kingdom of God, and another thing to enter into it. We must have a change of heart to see the kingdom of God, and subscribe the articles of adoption to enter therein."
-- Joseph Smith, Nauvoo, Illinois - October 15, 1843, History of the Church, 6:58

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What a wonderful doctrine.

When I read Section 132:19 it appears that the promise of exaltation is based upon covenant keeping.

I think sometimes we ignore one little saying in the above scripture. It is "If ye abide in my covenant". In my opinion an assurance of exaltation does not mean that we will be held blameless if we willfully defy the Lord.

In verse 21 of the 132 section it says

That is why I think to achieve ones calling and election one must have passed though the tests that they had been called to do. I am sure these are not easy tests and I am not even sure that I know what those tests are.

I love the Quote by Joseph Smith. It leads me to believe that the calling and election was preceded by an extended (unspecified) time of faithfulness and learning, rather then a flawed being changing in an instant when they receive their calling and election.

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That quote by Joseph is what I sometimes try to share in the regular LDS Deep Doctrine Board to those that come and spell out these long posts about how they have it all figured out. This Gospel is literally about being like the sheep or a little child: just be happy, do as you are instructed and you will get the reward. Of course the natural man hates to do what he is being told to do because we are fed the notion by the enemy that we are somehow giving up freedom or things that we like to do. Reaching a state of release where you give your agency to the Lord without remorse for me is where you have made your self sure for the reward of Salvation and Exaltation.

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One of the most beautiful explanations I have seen of giving up one's own will to the will of the Father.

Thank You JB

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Regarding the sins that happen after a persons calling and election I am fairly positive I learned that the atonement no longer covers them. In saying that, I will have to obviously find the sources of that statement. I was under the impression that they, themselves, would have to pay for whatever sins happened.
Does that sound familiar to anyone else?

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I believe within this Thread it was mentioned that they are answerable to the Lord, but not to the Church.

Rather off topic, but... I am hoping to have some more KoZ2 Topics up that cover some of this.

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Ok, So I read the entire post. This is a topic that is very dear to me... Here are my first thoughts...

This is correct, however because the local leadership do not know this they often do excommunicate which effects the records of the LDS church at best and does not have any barring on the records in heaven, the Church of the First Born. 2 very diffrent churches.

This is a funny thing, because the law cannot disannul the promise making it of none effect, Gal. 3. Do they need to repent? No, because repentance is the lower law of salvation, these are they who live the higher law of exaltation and the scepter. Because God is bound by his word, they cannot fall except they choose to give it up by the unpardonable sin. Things do not work the same for those in this state of existence. Very different from what is taught in the LDS church under the Aaronis Priesthood. See my comments below about the atonement fulfilling its purpose in their lives...

Yes, many, you may too and not know it.

Interesting questions, why do you ask? I am not him, but will answer for him. No he does not attend church, take the sacrement, he was already baptised and doesn't need to be any more. However, I know pleanty who do go to church and take the sacrement etc...

It is not taught to temple workers directly. As an ordainance worker, my wife began to wonder what authority she was using and we asked the temple President. It bacame clear that he did not know the answer and told us we shouldn't be talking to each other about the temple ordinances and their diffrences. He thought that the women used his authority to do the ordainances. We found out later that is not the case. He also admited to not having his calling and election made sure.

They are willing to talk if they are impressed by the Spirit and have hte right audience. There are many who are "missionaries" trying to bring others to the Church of the First Born via calling and election made sure. They are willing to talk about it. They travel the world or work in their own areas doing such work as directed by the Holy Ghost.

Ultimately no. There is an exception but I don't want to discuss it now. For the purposes of the general masses of the church it is not an blessing you can receive by 'tricking" or lying to your leaders primarily because they often have not received it and do not have to authorize it. Again, diffrent churches diffrent doctorines and unrealted protocols.

These are common misconceptions. The stake President doesn't know about it at all as they may not have received it. More often than not, the apostles and prophet do not know about it either. It does not have to happen in the Holy of Holies, but could, it does not happen the way most people look for it and so, many have received it but do not recognize it or accept it, thus the blessing is of no use to them.

That makes sense logically but not in application. The youngest person I know that received their calling and election made sure was 20 years old, not married and was serving a mission. Awesome experience! I was able to witness it as he was my companion at the time. Marriage can come after the promise. Many are born into the promise and thus promised exaltation from birth. (Oooh I feels some questions or challenges coming on that one...) ;-)

I love this website and he sent me a copy of it on CD. Great points! I have never met this man in person, but know him well enough to know that he did indeed receive his calling and election made sure as he says. The TOG stands for Temple of God referring to our own temples or the houses of our spirits. Unfortunately, becasue the doctrines ofthe Church of the First Born are so diffrent from those of the LDS church, many who become scholars of the new doctrines are excomunicated. For example, imagine telling your Bishop that you no longer can accept the Atonment of Christ to cover your sins. Bye, bye temple recomend, mabey a church court is you started teaching people the new teachings of a differnt church, etc. The LDS church teaches primarily the Preparatory Gospel which leads people to the actual Gospel or Higher law. But the lower law must be fulfilled. If you teach the higher law to the people who fallow the lower law, you generally get a stop order...

There is only 1 covenant to not reveal anything in the temple. It refers to revealing a name in connection with a sign and token all at the same time. There is no other covenant to not reveal or discuss the temple.

Supprise! This is a doctrine of the devil. It effectively is a 2 phased Silencing mechanism as it does the following:

Phase 2 - It discredits those that do not shut their mouths so that others will not listen to them. Others who believe this say, "If they really did receive it, they couldn't tell us about it, so we can know that they didn't really receive it. They must then be liars or deceived." Very effective tactic!
Phase 1 - Shuts the mouths of those who have received it from telling others about it or how to receive it. The Elect say, "If I tell others they won't believe me, and they will think I am lying or deceived. These pearls are too personal to me to have attacked."

Yes, that is correct, but many who have their calling and election have not learned this. Just like when you join the church you do not magially have all the answers and become a scholar in the doctrine, those who receive their calling and election can also progress at their choosen speed. They have not by any means hit the end, but rather a new beginning. Some don't experience more than receiving the promise. They may not even know they are members of the CoFB, or how to commune with the general assemble or orther blessings. They still progress or not, just as we do now.