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Yes, because the atonement is part of the Lower Aaronic Priesthood. All Aaronic or preparatory priesthood ordinances are focused on the atonement. The atonement itself was an Aaronic Priesthood ordinance and the Lord was not pleased that he had to do it. If he did not love us so much, and want to progress himself by fulfilling his life's mission, he wouldn't have. When the lower law is really fulfilled, then it is no longer needed.

If you read Gal. 3, you will see that it compares the promise of exaltation with the law of Moses. It makes a number of points, here are some:

And it is so with all who have the promise of exaltation.

So the covenant of Law of Moses or the Aaronic priesthood and it's ordinances including faith, repentance, baptism the sacrament and the administration of the atonement cannot "disannul the promise making it of no effect.
Doctrine and covenants says it this way:

The new and everlasting covenant begins with testimony and the symbol of following Christ to our deaths and resurrections which is Baptism. It includes all covenants and ordinances and becomes New and everlasting with each one.
Once we have "been redeemed", as you said, do we still need a redeemer?

The "Last Day" has come and gone, and they were found worthy to abide the presence of the Father and the Son. God has given his promise of exaltation without condition on further or future obedience. The criteria has already been met. Only by denying the Holy Ghost which is the messenger of the promise can a person loose their calling and election made sure. If they do it intentionally, and put Christ to an open shame they become sons of perdition.

27 The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which shall not be forgiven in the world nor out of the world, is in that ye commit murder wherein ye shed innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, saith the Lord God; and he that bideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be damned, saith the Lord.

Without going into significant detail, the word Assent = agree with, accept, condone, etc.

There is only one way to commit the unpardonable sin. Full awareness of what you are doing is required. Assenting to the death of Christ is part of it. This is because the atonement is no longer able to cover your sins. For more information on this, first read the Day Of Atonement And The Mystery Of Azazel thread and the specific post I made regarding this concept tying this post and te Azazel Thread and agency together in the Loosing our Agency thread.

You accidentaly associated the Holy Ghost which is the Exalting principle and gift of the Mel. priesthood with the ordinances of the Aaronic Priesthood.

- Faith is now in the promise of God, not Jesus Christ.
- Repentance has been fulfilled as you have completed "The Final Repentance" which is a change of heart in which you now live all the Law and prophets saying via love. Mistakes will happen, but these mistakes are not harmful and are done in love.
- Baptism has fulfilled it's purpose as you are now, having followed Christ a "joint heir with Christ".
- The Holy Ghost is the first Mel. Priesthood blessing and covenant that if obeyed will led you to exaltation. It is added to with the Presence of Jesus Christ, and then the Presence of the Father.

The Holy Ghost is not part of the lower law or Aaronic Priesthood. It is an exalting ordinance, not a saving one.

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If the Church of the First Born is practicing higher principles/laws--are they also practicing polygamy?

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That is a good question, that I was hoping he would make clear in the Plural Marriage Thread, but I think Amonhi has to answer these questions first: Source 8

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Christ is the Judge of all mankind including those who have had their calling and election made sure.

This is explicitly after we have died and received a resurrection, either the resurrection of life eternal or the resurrection of death. This would include all men, even those who believe they have their calling and election made sure.

Not a few, not some, All of us. Christ is the door that we all must pass through to return to the Father, and to this extent we will always be indebted to him for his sacrifices.

From
"Judge Not" and Judging
By Elder Dallin H. Oaks

It is unwise (according to Elder Oaks) to try to judge if someone is assured exaltation. This is my justification for not being able to know if someone has their calling and election made sure (which is a Judgment on the eternal status of another.


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We cannot return to God without Christ's atonement regardless if it is a higher law or a lower law. As all things are present with God, when we are judged (after our resurrection) we cannot discount previous blessings we have received from God, and previous steps in our progression. We are presently and will always be indebted to God and by extension Jesus Christ for redemption, and without redemption we cannot pass on to exaltation. We would be like the nine Leper's who said " I have already been redeemed (healed) by Christ, I am my own man." That is so ungrateful, that it makes me sick.

We cannot return to God perfect without the atonement of Jesus Christ. If we believe we can, we ignore the scriptures and rely on our own wisdom.

Edited: dbackers on 8th Oct, 2008 - 3:53am

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I was pretty sure I was taught that the Law of Moses was the lower law and that it was no longer needed because Christs atonement was the higher law--do you have a source for this statement by chance?

Also, it is hard to read what you wrote about Jesus not being pleased that he had to do the atonement. That goes against any testimony I have and obviously is a personal opinion, but He knew and accepted the Fathers plan in the pre-existence. He ASKED Father to send him and that Heavenly Father would receive the glory...not Him.

I do agree that in the Garden he asked the cup to pass if possible, but IF NOT, THY WILL BE DONE! I have always wondered if perhaps that was part of his human side to have the feelings of second thoughts, but in no way have I ever felt he wasn't pleased or he just did it because he needed to fulfill a mission to further himself.

That just goes against the grain of my testimony and those of the prophets and apostles bearing witness of the need for Christ. Having their Calling & Election, (Many if not all?) they continue to take sacrament and worship Jesus Christ as their Savior, and lead others to do the same.

You have a wealth of knowledge and much of it does make sense to me, not agreeing or disagreeing with anything, but some does make sense. But I believe in the strength of testimony born of the Spirit and I am having a hard time with these statements quoted above.

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You may have a hard time with it because I believe a lot of it is... the words of man mingled with scripture. Hence Source 6 needs to be answered first. In that same Thread I did place:

Additionally, of those whom it is likely have had their Election Made Sure (both ancient and new) I have never ever seen them try to discount in any way or form the Atonement or looking towards Christ. To do so is in my opinion Satanic.

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One who has written extensively about Calling and Election made sure and the role of Jesus Christ is the brother of the well known Cleon Skousen, Max Skousen.

He has written many interesting things, many of which I recognize from Amonhi.

Anyone here who has read the book series "A blessing hitherto unknown"?

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Yes, I do agree that was my first initial reaction. I am eagerly awaiting his responses to those questions. Has he been on the past few days?

I am having those same feelings. They tell us even the elect will be deceived and I wonder if that means someone can be on the path to their Calling & Election and start to depend on their own knowledge instead of the Spirits teachings. I don't know because I am no where near that point but I am curious.


Also, from Joheri

Did Skousen write this? If not, who did please?

Edited: AlaskanLDS on 8th Oct, 2008 - 11:01pm