When reading all of the posts, I wonder if we should be trying to receive our Calling and election made sure as a single act or is it a culmination of a life time (or other period of time)of faithful service.
I really do not believe that we receive our C&E because we desire it. I am more inclined to think that as we desire to love and serve God and his Children that we come to the point in the process where God cannot deny his full blessings because of an accumulation of righteous desires and actions.
Even in the case of Enos, who received an assurance of blessings (no particular evidence of C&A) he declared in his last days on Earth that he was:
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wrought upon by the power of God that I must preach and prophesy unto this people, and declare the word according to the truth which is in Christ. And I have declared it in all my days, and have rejoiced in it above that of the world. |
Dbackers, good points. I suppose it depends on the individual and the kind of life they have? Maybe for some can be a single act because they live their lives in such a way that it is indeed possible. For others may be a culmination of a lifetime.
No matter which one it is, I fully agree that we do not receive it just because we desire it but because we live our lives in such a way that we are worthy to receive this wonderful promise. In my opinion, the blessing comes as a direct result of righteous living and maybe, most times without the person actively trying to receive it.
From what I have learned from Brethren who should be experts on this matter and others regarding the Church is that such things as one's personal revelation, promises, miracles and so forth are to be kept sacred. Not necessarily secret. The key emphasis here is "sacred", in other words if you are going to share something so life changing then it must be done at a personal level where the environment and confirmation to give that information is mutual to both the person receiving and God.
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if you are going to share something so life changing then it must be done at a personal level where the environment and confirmation to give that information is mutual to both the person receiving and God. |
It seems like some of the people who claim publicly that they have received their C&E made sure are like the well meaning evangelical who says he or she is "Saved" and that what ever he does is ok, because the Lord has redeemed him.
It seems like they use it as an excuse for personal behavior that is not in line with commandments as found in the Holy Scriptures. I would think that the need for holiness and a sanctified life is more important after this event then some would suggest.
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I would think that the need for holiness and a sanctified life is more important after this event then some would suggest. |
Did you all read what the new Apostle said concerning his testimony of Jesus Christ? Doesn't sound to you as he is hinting Calling and Election sure?
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"First of all, it means that I know that Jesus is the Christ, with a sure and certain witness - and this I do," he said. "I have that solace that perhaps in that one category that must be fulfilled, I can say I fulfill that part. I know that he lives. I know that he's resurrected. "¦ Of course, I'm hopeful that by way of ordination, certain gifts come to me that I anxiously await." |
Ammonhi, regular members during Testimony meeting, and the pastor from some other denomination all claim to "know". I don't know if they know, but for me strong belief is not knowing. Knowing in my opinion is to see, touch, feel - in other words there is not even a chance of maybe being confused with an angel of light or apparition or play of the mind. I long for the day when you can actually ask someone who does know and they can describe Him vividly as Joseph did without riddles, or nice words but in a manner that you are in fact confirmed about the fact that they know. Until that time I follow the hymn... "I believe in Christ...."