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I see and understand that but then how do you prove who has been here before that point and who is moving in beyond that point. We have a hard time it seems determining who is illegal and who is legal already.

Many illegals work in factories were they provide information that makes them appear to be legal.

So what stops them from providing false information saying that they have been here the whole time?

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I think america caters to them too much and we should stop but just how do we do that? I know if we cut programs and welfare then actual Americans will suffer along with those here illegally. Do we just give everyone who is here citizenship? I think if we did that we will just compound the problem like it did back in the 80's when Congress gave amnesty and citizenship to many of the illegals that were in the country.

I think this time we need to find a much different solution and get our boarders secured. Without secure borders this problem is always going to be a big issue.

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Yes, many things would cost more as the people would have to be paid at least minimum wage and employers would have to start putting in money for unemployment for each employee.

The only ways this works and doesnt just become a problem again in the future is to seal off the border. If the US Government can give another $500 million that we don't have to the Pakistan Government, then we can certainly spend more money we don't have to seal off that border. If worse comes to worse, mine the border...it has worked fabulously in many instances to stop agressive onward movements and mines are cheap. This has to happen first because as you all have mentioned, we have a lot already here and if we announce a amnesty program, the desert will look like a human river.

When I think of this uncontrolled immigration, it is so ironic...

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So, if you have uncontrolled immigration, you lose your original culture.

Once the border is sealed well, then I would do a combination of legal moves by both the state and federal governments. First, the federal govenment then needs to start a amnesty program. The program has certain requirements: you are employed (or are immediate family member - wife, child, husband - of a gainfully employed individual). Gainfully employed would include paying taxes and be defined withing the bill. Proof of employment would need to be provided by all illegal immigrants seeking the amnesty. The proof would be provided to them by the employer and would include: social security number, W2 status, address, position and wages/salary. Fines for employers unwilling to provide this information would be listed out and will be severe if found guilty. Illegal immigrants who are not provided proof of employment by their employer should ask for such information and if rejected, they then can file a complaint with XXX branch of the government (it probably needs to be the IRS but not sure which one). If enough complaints against a company/employer exists, it triggers an investigation. While this is not all the would need for amensty, it is a good start and once the process is underway, they are given a document saying that they are under process.

States that in interested in supporting the existing immigration laws are then allowed to and encouraged to adopt laws like the one in Arizona. Illegal aliens are required to be in the amnesty program to get social security number, drivers licenses, purchase property, etc... Illegal aliens caught breaking laws prior to acceptance into the amnesty program are to have the situation reviewed by INS and entered into the program or deported.

So basically it goes like this...

Seal the border
Stop the illegal hiring practices
Ensure we are giving amnesty to the right people (not interested in amnesty for drug runners/dealers)

OH...and one last thing. You only get amnesty once. Upon acceptance of your admittance to the program, you are granted a special visa that expires in 1 year. You have to reapply or have your status in the program checked to ensure that you really arent living in Mexico or making too many trips back to Mexico such that you might be doing any illegal activities or are actually a Mexican citizen. After the successful completion of the 1 year visa, you get a 2 year...then a 3 year and then a 4 year and after that you can get a permanent visa or allowed citizenship.

Edited: Vincenzo on 20th Jul, 2010 - 8:06am

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Please see some thoughts I wrote on this in the US: Mexico A Huge Security Risk Thread.

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This should be a by the way thing where they give out pamphlets, this should not be officil instruction from teachers.

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You'll notice that the flyer says NOTHING about whether or not these "not US citizens" are here legally. Another way that the law is undermined - "protect yourself" from these raids! I really don't get this. I do understand that the children are affected by their parents being arrested or detained, but they have to understand about the law. Breaking the law has consequences, whether you have children or not.

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Farseer, I think the point about the non-US citizen statement maybe is due to phenotype. Let's say a factory is raided where MOST Hispanics working there are illegal. Let's suppose there are a couple of LEGAL Hispanic workers there or even US citizens of Hispanic heritage. I think there is a big possibility that MOST of them (if not all) will be detained and taken into custody until all the papers are sort out.

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That's true, LDS_Forever. During the raid, the legal immigrants wouldn't necessarily be distinguishable from the illegal immigrants. Good point.