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Well here is what I can do... two missionaries from my Church can come show you a 30 minute video about the life of Christ and share some thoughts with you and then it might give you something to think about. No obligation. I was a missionary once before. Please do contact me via email and let me know if you are interested.

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Thank you everyone for helping to answer my questions.  I greatly appreciate it.    Thank you Sky for clarifying what the rapture was.   As for my feeling 'lost' I have felt this way for quite sometime.  I know this sounds bad, but I feel like I am not getting much out my church spiritually.  I go to my church, but I cannot participate fully in mass.  The church does not recognize my marriage with Todd, because this is my second marriage.  I don't understand why, but my mom says it's because I maybe divorced in the state's eyes from my ex-husband, but not in the church's eyes.  I have also gone thru the process for the church to anull my first marriage, only for the church to decline my request.  (I tried again to get it anulled before me and Todd got married, but the church declined me again.)  The reason they told me is that me and my ex-husband did not try hard enough to make our marriage work.  We did try to make it work (or shall I say, I tried to make it work), even went through counseling with the church.  But the differences between us were too great to work out. I also go to my husband's church (he is a Nazarene) but I don't get much out of the service at his church either.  I feel like I am searching for God, Jesus, and to be filled with the Holy Spirit.  But cannot seem to find 'my place' so to speak.   This sounds silly to ask, but am I just searching too hard or am I going the wrong church?

You are welcome

To comment on your feelings. It is not silly.... It is of real concern.  You know there is "more" and want "more" in a relationship with God.

You may be searching to hard, often times I think God wants us to be quiet and still..... and he reveals things to us. You are seeking, but if it becomes un-comfortable then it can be an indication you are trying to hard (or maybe have a certain expectation) and it is just a matter of time.

I do think if you are not happy with your church, you can look around.

First of all, I would think Catholic (isn't that what you are) and Nazarene are different on a few things.

Maybe you might check out some sites that give their doctrine, and see what seems to line up with how YOU believe. Then find some Churches in the area and see if you feel comfortable.

Many things make a difference in a church. For instance one thing I like about my pastor is he does a study for his sermons, and we stay on a topic for how ever many Sundays it takes to complete the leason... even though it is a Sermon. He also has an amazing ability to connect things of today in what we are studying.

I have been to churches where the pastor jumps all over the bible, and that is not for me. Everyone has certain things they prefer.

I am sorry you feel lost..... I could write a book on that.

Thank you LDS and WAYNED for your insight. I know what you said was true..... I just have a hard time/struggle.  I enjoy that God blessed me with feelings... but I can get so low and un appreciative of him, no matter what I read or tell myself.

One-day I will post about this and my anxieties (that is a main source of trouble right there).

Msslmshdy30, I hope that you feel better. I fully believe that God sees your heart and since you are even posting and showing concern he sees it is a struggle and he will lead you..... just be patient and wait on him.
(Patience is a Virtue as it scrolls on the screen It is difficult to wait, but I am sure worth it.)

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I know how you feel Mss and that's one of the things I loved the most about the LDS Church. Everyone has an opportunity to speak, the 'pastor' or 'priest' are not the only ones speaking.
The Church is divided in different 'classes' one for everybody where we partake the sacraments and where normal members give 'talks'. Then it is divided by age.

Young Women: 12-17 years old
Young Men: 12-17 years old
(Both of them also have a joining class after)

Primary: kids from 18 months to 12 years old (divided by ages and classes too)
Relief Society: Married and Single women over 18
Priesthood: Young men and men over 12

In each class there are different teachers and each member has a 'calling', meaning a responsibility to teach or to prepare a lesson, play the piano or anything that concerns the Church. We have also activities during the week, family nights, dances, homemaking, etc...it is really fun! and in all the classes are feedback, everybody can say what they think and ask questions and answer...you know, like a kind of school.
I really love it, specially for the kids when they can be with kids of their own age and learn about Jesuschrist.

It would be cool if you accept the invitation of JB, after all, you can try and see if you like it there is no obligation of any kind, missionaries would love to show you the video and as a friend, I assure you you will not be dissapointed. What do you say?

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Thank you Jb and LDS for your suggestions and comments.  :)  I will take your missionary invitation into consideration and I will definitely let you know something as soon as I decide.

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Great! we hope to hear from you when you're ready. You know you can count on us.

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What do you know about "The Rapture" and "The Tribulations" that will follow it? I've been curious about this for some time because even though the church I belong to is Christian, this topic is not taught nor written about (and I've searched the church website for it!). Nearly every other Christian church that I know of teaches this principle, and there is a popular book series about it ("Left Behind," et al (which is another topic all by itself that I won't get into here)), and even bumper stickers ("In case of Rapture, this car will be driverless!").

The way I understand The Rapture is this: Seven years prior to the Second Coming of Christ, in the twinkling of an eye, many people from the earth will just disappear -- including all true Christians, all children under a certain age (including the unborn), and others who are pure in heart. Poof! Gone. "Called home to Christ." Apparently to be spared the Tribulations?

Thus begins the seven years of Tribulations. The rise of the Anti-Christ, etc etc foretold in the book of Revelations, leading up to the Second Coming and the Millenium.

I don't know the scriptural basis for this, and I'm interested to read it for myself. And if I'm way off base here, I'd appreciate correcting guidance to reliable sources of information.

Roz

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NOTE: I have merged the previous discussion and this one, in response to Persephone's observation that a topic was already available.

Some general comments on "the Rapture", including some info on the various books about it.

Definition: The Rapture is considered to be a time when Jesus Christ returns to the earth and lifts up all of His faithful from the earth. This happens in two ways, as the living are lifted up bodily from the world and the dead are resurrected.

There are scriptures which support this idea, but I don't have access to them at the moment.

What is strange about the current "Rapture" mania, including the Left Behind books, is the recent idea that it will happen before the tribulations described in Daniel and Revelation. That is, that Jesus Christ will call all of His faithful out of the world to keep them from experiencing those tribulations.

This idea came from a series of charismatic visions received by some young girls in about 1830. A man recorded what these girls reported. The concepts were later incorporated into the Scofield Study Bible, which rapidly became the most commonly used Bible study aid in US and British Christianity. Now, this has become a deeply entrenched dogma. I personally know people whose whole faith is founded on the concept of the Rapture.

This has also created a huge battleground of doctrines. There are pre-Trib rapturists, post-Trib rapturists, and even some mid-Trib rapturists. This is based on what time period the people believe the Rapture will occur, in relation to a 7-year tribulation period. Many of the people who subscribe to these things are extremely dogmatic about it all.

Personally, I believe in a sort of the Rapture, in that when Christ returns in power and glory, that He will lift up the saints to His presence. But this occurs in the final wrapping up scene.

I am not at all sure that there is a specific 7-year period. For one thing, Isaiah refers several times to a couple of 3-year periods. For another, 7 is a symbolic number that indicates completion or fulfillment within the Hebrew language. At the same time, it could be 7 specific years.

I have a lot of other problems with the Left Behind books, and the theology that they represent, as well. If someone wants to continue this discussion, I am willing to continue. I should say right now that I have read all of the original series so far, and have thoroughly enjoyed them - as a fantasy series.

Edited: Nighthawk on 6th Jul, 2004 - 1:53pm